The future of Soul Calibur

What should be the focus of the next game?

  • Continue the story following the events of SCV

    Votes: 88 50.6%

  • Fill in the story with events from between SCIV and SCV

    Votes: 47 27.0%

  • Reboot of the series starting with SE

    Votes: 30 17.2%

  • Prequel before the events of SE

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • Total voters
    174
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Blackwaltzomega said:
Oh, sorry, I misread your tone. My bad.

To be honest, I agree with that, but it shouldn't be right. Nostaliga filtering characters to make them lurch along way after their usefulness to the game is at an end isn't good. Mitsurugi being in the games because he's always in the games is dumb once his reason for being a character is "there's nothing good on TV." Is it really worth the nostalgia if the character exists purely to wave to the camera and feel really out of place with what's going on?
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I'm a farmer, I'm bored! I need to fight!
 
Hikari said:
Be happy theres none "NO Taki,Sophitia,Mi-Na, no BUY"
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...I miss mina. I blame kilik. At least I have Rock! oh wait...
Ugh Namco's lucky i'm a consumer whore. What's that? SCVI with 10 sword and shield characters and no offline content for $60? yeah sure. I'll buy it. Just let me cry in this corner really quick.

But seriously, I doubt we're even gonna see an updated SCV anytime soon. With Tekken Tag 2 on the horizon, Namco's gonna lay away anything that could detract from potential players...including other fighting games. Plus, a big chunk of Tekken and SC developers are working on the new Super Smash. And when they're done with that, the next big Namco fighting project is gonna be Tekken X Street Fighter. I hate to admit it but SC may be shelved for a looooong time
 
Captain_Insano said:
...I miss mina. I blame kilik. At least I have Rock! oh wait...
Ugh Namco's lucky i'm a consumer whore. What's that? SCVI with 10 sword and shield characters and no offline content for $60? yeah sure. I'll buy it. Just let me cry in this corner really quick.

But seriously, I doubt we're even gonna see an updated SCV anytime soon. With Tekken Tag 2 on the horizon, Namco's gonna lay away anything that could detract from potential players...including other fighting games. Plus, a big chunk of Tekken and SC developers are working on the new Super Smash. And when they're done with that, the next big Namco fighting project is gonna be Tekken X Street Fighter. I hate to admit it but SC may be shelved for a looooong time
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What you doing in the sad coner O.O??? it is mine XD
 
Captain_Insano said:
I agree, but sadly the rest of the fighting game community doesn't.

...back to the sad corner
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I once asked a Tekken player how Tekken was fun and they couldn't give me a concrete answer to my question. Oh well that happens at least 80% of the time I ask a question.
 
Solo said:
I once asked a Tekken player how Tekken was fun and they couldn't give me a concrete answer to my question. Oh well that happens at least 80% of the time I ask a question.
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It is the combo system....for sure
 
Personally, Cervantes just needs to serve some importance in the storyline, instead of just being there, like pretty much every character that debuted in Soul Edge that have returned now (Mitsurugi, Voldo), and even some from SC have been treated this way as well: Aeon, Ivy somewhat, Yoshimitsu (even though he is a different person, I'll count him anyways), Astaroth, Kilik, and somewhat Maxi. It does prove that they have nothing to do for the veterans, and that they've outstayed their welcome, except Hilde, Tira, Siegfried, and Nightmare of course.

Solo said:
Why so much Tekken, that game is boring as hell.
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It appeals to casual fans mostly:

-It has its fair share of extras in each game, like bowling, volleyball, Beat-Em-Ups.
-The characters are recent. A dumb argument, but people really think that.
-The large variety of characters, which I disagree with, but Namco seems to have enough money for them to do it, along with the arcade releases and such.

I love Tekken for its willingness to experiment on the soundtracks, since I'm an Electronic Music head and all. I'll admit that the Co-Op Scenario Campaign on Tekken 6 was pretty fun, and was a good way to get S and A ranked items. The only problem was that it was only 10 stages. If it was more, maybe then I would have liked it.

But I've always said it before, and I'll say it again. Tekken is the "Beyonce" of fighting games, both good and bad in some fields.
 
jtdam09 said:
Personally, Cervantes just needs to serve some importance in the storyline, instead of just being there, like pretty much every character that debuted in Soul Edge that have returned now (Mitsurugi, Voldo), and even some from SC have been treated this way as well: Aeon, Ivy somewhat, Yoshimitsu (even though he is a different person, I'll count him anyways), Astaroth, Kilik, and somewhat Maxi. It does prove that they have nothing to do for the veterans, and that they've outstayed their welcome, except Hilde, Tira, Siegfried, and Nightmare of course.
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Soul Calibur should have subplots like Sophitia Vs Tira in SC IV and Cassandra BFF of Hilde (Should be canon)
 
Blackwaltzomega said:
I do agree that SCV had too many heroes, though. I don't agree that there's any need to grimdark things up, since Pyrrha's storyline was incredibly dark and Patrokolos isn't exactly mr admirable hero himself, but I do think a stronger villainous presence in the cast is needed, particularly Zasalamel returning. I dunno, maybe give Tira and Nightmare some hangers-on if you need to add some more evil characters
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I dont consider Patroklos a hero at all, he's a brainwashed soldier who fights because he is told to. He has no personality or anything likable about him whatsoever. Pyrrha's only redeeming feature is that she's evil. The true potential of his story line was totally unexplored, it was the deepest one of the series but just handled so horribly.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
I dont consider Patroklos a hero at all, he's a brainwashed soldier who fights because he is told to. He has no personality or anything likable about him whatsoever. Pyrrha's only redeeming feature is that she's evili.
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Patroklos was someone who was so fixated on finding about the death of his mother, but was so ridiculously naive, like young Yunseong naive. Enough for Nightmare to manipulate Patroklos. Even after people tell Patroklos what he wants to do is a bad decision, he still does it anyways and proceeds to run away from the only people that mattered to him most. In Patroklo's case, it was Setsuka/Neve. In Yun-Seong's case, it was three damn people. Four if Seong Mina's father was involved. Patroklos was never a hero when he started. That was proven by the fact that he killed an innocent citizen.

Alpha Patroklos, to me, is the type of character that finally has his own identity, and has his head on straight. This Patroklos is the hero.

Pyrrha is clearly the submissive-type, but you got to feel bad for her. Her life was pretty tragic, from losing her mother, to losing her husband, to being imprisoned, so I can see how she feels. Pyrrha never had that one opportunity where she could stick up for herself. Pyrrha just needs a hug. Pyrrha doesn't really share the "evil" qualities either. Tira just manipulates her to for her own personal reasons, and the fact that she doesn't like the new Nightmare.

About Zasalamel, he is neutral. He only does what pleases himself. He isn't evil, because he doesn't really want to kill everyone in the entire world, but he is not a hero either, because he doesn't want to stop evil. He just wants the swords, but he vows to protect the swords against those who want to seek it, good or evil.
 
Blackwaltzomega said:
I don't know what character Cervantes really had left to ruin at this point, although making him human did make him completely fucking irrelevant to everything that was going on.

Really, what is Cervantes? As a zombie, he's never even gotten close to reclaiming his old power canonically, Nightmare couldn't give less of a shit what he's up to, and the only character all that concerned with what the guy does is Ivy. He's her grudge-match slot. That's literally his only worthwhile contribution to the series post-death. Frankly, I think that he, Mitsu, and Voldo have got to go from a storyline perspective, because all they can do is go through the motions they've been stuck in for most of the series now and never do anything interesting. Shura's a popular character, and at this point it makes more sense narratively for HER to have Cervantes' movelist than it does for completely-normal-human Cervantes to! Grandfather-clauseing all these characters in really hurts the credibility of the timeskip; I don't think anyone really gave a crap that Voldo was exactly the same 17 years later as he was in 4, or that people wanted to see his infinite loop of trying and failing to steal Soul Edge continue if it meant we never even found out what happened to Talim or Zasalamel or one of those people who didn't make the cut because they weren't in the first game. If they had the balls to kill off Sophitia, some more of the old guys have got to go and be replaced.

I do agree that SCV had too many heroes, though. I don't agree that there's any need to grimdark things up, since Pyrrha's storyline was incredibly dark and Patrokolos isn't exactly mr admirable hero himself, but I do think a stronger villainous presence in the cast is needed, particularly Zasalamel returning. I dunno, maybe give Tira and Nightmare some hangers-on if you need to add some more evil characters.

As for ZWEI, I tolerated him because I assume he's an extension of the Shamanic magic Talim is known to possess in a different form. If we knew literally ANYTHING about him, though, it'd help his cause a lot.
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After the events of Soul Edge and Soul Calibur 1, Cervantes slowly but surely began to take a back seat as the lead villain. Nightmare was terrifying and all but what'd you expect? I was hoping Cervantes to regain his villain status for SC3 but again, nothing happened. Then came SC4, where he can fly, teleport, and God knows what but was he the main or secondary villain? No, no, and no! Pretty much, Cervantes is almost, if not already, a throw away villain at best. There used to be a time when Cervantes had some respect as a villain but now that attention all goes to Nightmare. I feel as though that guys like Voldo, Mitsurugi, and Cervantes have nothing left to do story wise. Mitsurugi is still chasing after Algol, Voldo is blindly serving his master, and Cervantes, well...is Cervantes. I think the veterans got screwed over in favor of bringing the next generation.

While on the subject of villains, I think Patroklos would make a better villain with his whole misconstrued concept of justice and the malfested and Pyrrha being the protagonist. Then again, Tira would've been an interesting villain, if she didn't leave so early in the god awful story mode (which perhaps was the best for her).

I can tolerate ZWEI, he's cool but people are complaining about that wolf and how he doesn't fit in. He can keep the weapon but the wolf should be his motif.

All in all, Soul Calibur are lacking villains! Cervantes has ran his course, Nightmare has also ran his course, Ivy had potential to be a villain but didn't, same could be said for Astaroth, Tira, and Raphael. Algol for me, isn't all that intimidating. Sure, he's a god and all but what's there to it. There was so much lost with Soul Calibur 5, that many are seeing right through the cracks.
 
on a side note, i don't really care what happens story-wise. it's cool and all, but people don't play fighting games for the story. if anything, i'd just want some basic explanation of what happens to the characters.

although, i thought the soul-web thing in SC4 was genius. it showed everyone's interactions with each other and their motives for fighting and aligning with certain people. if i could have that, it'd be great!
 
Solo said:
I once asked a Tekken player how Tekken was fun and they couldn't give me a concrete answer to my question. Oh well that happens at least 80% of the time I ask a question.
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Tekken is pretty much chess in fighting game form (or the closest you can realistically get to it).
 
CappuccinoJak said:
on a side note, i don't really care what happens story-wise. it's cool and all, but people don't play fighting games for the story.
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Some people don't, but some people do. Of course, story isn't the 1st priority, but it is the icing on the cake, and each characters driving force and definition. With Soulcalibur even involving story some type of way ever since its debut, they really can't make a game without it, unless it's non-canon (like Tekken Tag Tournament 2).

Story just qualifies as one optional aspect of what brings "presentation" into the game, alongside the modes, certain physics (GI, JG, CE, BE), and such.
 
Shura's design was not bad, personally. Not very memorable of the bonus characters either.

I do want some CAS parts from her though, especially that ponytail and that top.
 
I like Asholette and the Elf girl. They fit the series and have the most detailed designs of all of them but just need more characterization. Asholette could fit well being a neutral servant of Astaroth.
 
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