Setsuka matchups
- step G helps a LOT up close or at long range (up close you step left, while at long range you step right IIRC )
Yes, and it should be done because of 66B. God, I hate that move. It's not foolproof though.
- Learn to "kill" stances. Hayate explained it very well in the match up or top tier thread. They'll still be useful but not free anymore.
On wakeup and post-GI which are the places to be used they are very useful. No way to kill them.
- Asura is a move to be feared, but it is STILL a risky move. Good kilik won't abuse it randomly, but way more sparingly when they know it will hit, I personnally like to bait Asura. If I can block it, I can punish it or GI the second hit. Giing the second hit is particularly useful to learn, since it leads them to think of : do I make the second hit. I often caught my opponents successfully using Asura but stopped and didn't do the second hit because the bait was successful before.
Yeah, I know. But is still there as a control measure and it serves it's purpose. You have to think all the way in your mid usage against Kilik and G-cancel fake because of this move. My opponent uses it most of the time when he knows it has a chance to hit 'cause he knows it will be B+K punished if he misses. So, the real Asura use is for mid punishment in my case, not as an offensive tool. And it's still 69 pts with RO potential so it's something to consider.
- Learn to make him fear WS B. WS B is an awesome move in this match up since it has deceiptive range and kills some Kilik tools just fine.
It is still Asura punishable but I will give it a try and see if it can work as a check like 33B.
- "Random" umbrellas can be usefull after Kilik hits you. It disturbs their pace, make them fear to throw not so fast moves (the danregous ones IMO with Kilik).
Not even after Kilik hits you. Umbrella isn't useful in this match at all. Most of his checks and useful Kilik stuff are safe and on block Setsuka gets punished on reaction by A+B > 66B (add another if near walls) for 70-83 pts.
I repeat, Umbrella isn't useful in this matchup at all. Only in combos and that's it.
- Don't forget about your highs : A+K A (this one in particular), 4A (this one is peculiar), 214A,...
4A gets punished on reaction by 4B but I use A+K A and 214A in the matchup, especially A+K A.
- 9K is a good tool btw in this match up.
Agreed. I use it for 2A prevention and it isn't Asura punishable. Useful definitely. 44B+K as well.
Why do I say Kilik doesn't have the advantage in this match up?
Because of damage. His 4 main damage dealer are : Asura, WS B, FOTD, throws.
Asura can be avoided and the same with WS B. Of course, not completly but you get my point. As for FOTD and throws that's up to you.
I disagree. Kilik has the advantage because his post-GI game is too damn strong, her throw game is negated because of WRB, Asura bothers Setsuka's mid and throw game, he can approach better than Setsuka can with his 66B and 2A > FC/WR deadly mixup that can earn him a win straight up or lots of damage and his safety doesn't give too much ground for punishment for Setsuka. And all his options on hit take quite a bit of damage, not to mention that Kilik has the clearcut advantage in RO stages like Raft, Seesaw and Labyrinth. All Setsuka can do is bait Asura and fish here and there for a CH. Hell, is so bad that he can chip SG damage with 66B, WSB and even GB Asura even if he gets punished for it.
Setsuka doesn't have it worse because she takes a lot of damage on her hits but make no mistake. This matchup is clearly an advantage for Kilik.
