IDEA: Online Amateur Tournament

That's usually what the main tournaments do; one for each system. I'm not opposed to that either. I've run more stressful tournaments before. Not in this game, obviously. But I've done it, and I'll do it again.
 
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TiZ said:
My "definition" is not a rule, because that can't be enforced.
Again, if you can't enforce it as a rule, without specific guidelines, what is the point of this tournament? It seems a very odd system to run something on an honor system.
The reason the restrictions are in place is in order to reduce the subjectivity as much as possible.
So, you can enforce these restrictions, why not make specific guidelines as to what constitutes what kind of player can join this tournament?
If you placed fourth in an online tournament with 16 people in it, especially one of the recent ones where the bigger guns have been coming out in greater force, then that means you're pretty damn good.
Lol, have you seen me play? Skill level is subjective. You can't simply group people in skill levels like a tier list, there are a shit ton of what makes people able to beat another person, so many I really don't want to go into it right now. Someone can think of themselves as "Bad" and then absolutely body someone like me, only to lose against someone I can defeat easily. There is simply too many factors at the lower levels that would constitute someone's "Skill level".
This isn't for you. I'm sitting this one out too, I'm just running the show.
Why? Why create this shoddy, pointless tournament? And then not even enter?
Yes, but there's no catalyst to unite these players. The 24/7 lobby used to be a catalyst to unite all levels under one roof, but most people got weeded out and only the very good or the very persistent continue to attend.
Nothing is stopping bad players from playing with the good ones aside from a fixation on win percentages and the thinking that they have to win. You learn and improve more by losing anyway.
So then, what next? Create a lobby and advertise it for beginners
Yes
or middlers?
You just love categorizing everyone into neat little rows, don't you?
That's just begging for some particularly dickheaded high level player to come in and ruin the day. So kick him out? Impose rules? Then it's starting to get a little too iron-fisted for a lobby, something that's supposed to be a nice little get together. Tournaments are more official, more formal endeavors where rules are not only welcomed but expected. When it comes to bringing together players of this level, an amateur tournament is the most practical way to do so.
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Better players come into beginner lobbies and thrash people around all. The. Time. It's just a thing that happens and you have to deal with it. And then, YES. You DO kick him out. That's why the option is there. He is breaking the rules and spirit of the lobby, and as such has no right to be there. Then you go onto say that kicking someone for breaking rules and ruining everyone's experience breaks whatever weird-set-in-stone idea of what you think a lobby is supposed to be. Lobbies with rules show up all the time. (Admittedly dumb ones, like don't grab too much or step own after 3 wins).

If people want to find bad players to be bad and not learn anything new with so they can feel good about themselves because they won a few matches, advertise it on your profile or some shit, or just troll around the introduction section. Or, again, just make a beginner only lobby. Those fill up with beginners pretty quickly, and on the odd chance someone good does come ion and thrash everyone around, just stop being a pussy and kick them.
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I welcome this kind of thing; you could also have "expert players" do the commentary and give out tips and advice during the match (although the players wouldnt know till they look back at the recording).

I would say thought for this to work, the players in the Tournament would get to choose who they want to comment cause no one wants trolls to do the commentary..
 
Wandrian said:
So if you're not letting people enter that are better than you, how is this anything more than another scrub lobby where you're not allowed to beat the host?
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Like I said, nice idea, but tiz, you will need to apply a different selection process, and by making less developed ( I dont like the word scrub) players only play amongst themselves, how can they hope to improve, lets be honest if you're on this site, thats the goal.
 
DarkMoonFantasy said:
Omg I thought it was just my connection being stupid. Well that's good to know. Wth psn?

But yeah, I like this idea for a tourney a lot. Sounds awesome man.
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Yes- on PSN - but- i kinda suspect the online experience is related to the last PSN update- i think they're out to get us with a slow disintegration net code.
 
Wandrian said:
So if you're not letting people enter that are better than you, how is this anything more than another scrub lobby where you're not allowed to beat the host?
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Okay, there's a whole lot of failure at reading comprehension going on here, and I think this idea is at the center of it. Seriously, I'm getting kind of ticked off. Learn to read, guys.

You know what my best tournament performance is? 1-2. It's how I did at PowerUp, and also at UFGT. So if my goal is to restrict it to people who are worse than me, that's gonna weed out a shit ton of people. There are so many comments here about me, my skill, etc etc etc. Yet I made absolutely no mention of my own skill level in the original post. This isn't about me. You all are making it about me because, what... you distrust me this much? People are twisting my intentions about to make it look like I'm doing this based around myself, and for myself, despite numerous textual evidence to the contrary. I'm not even participating! I'm doing this for you people!

Mr.MeatHook said:
Again, if you can't enforce it as a rule, without specific guidelines, what is the point of this tournament? It seems a very odd system to run something on an honor system.
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Where did this even come from? The rules as I stated them in the first post are completely enforceable. Go read them again, I'm not repeating them. It's trivial to research a username and associated tags and aliases. I feel like you're having difficulty processing this aspect. Read it a few more times.
 
I qaulify for this tournament... You should really revise your requirements for entry, nice idea tho.
 
TiZ said:
The rules as I stated them in the first post are completely enforceable. .
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"My "definition" is not a rule, because that can't be enforced"

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Mr.MeatHook said:
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You're a fucking idiot, and I'm legitimately getting sick of your shit. Learn to fucking read.

xXPyrrusXx said:
What I want to know, what is your definition of a "mid-level" player?
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Hmm... well... I mean, how would you define a "high-level" player? A high-level player knows what they're doing and is skilled at doing it so comprehensively that they are able to perform consistently well at tournaments, or just among high-level players. A "low-level" player would be someone who doesn't know what they're doing, and doesn't stumble about with any particular talent or skill. A "mid-level" player, I suppose, would be someone who has studied up on most or all of the funamentals, and wields that knowledge with a variable degree of skill.
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That is my DEFINITION, as requested by the quoted member.

You may not enter if:
1. You have placed in the Top 8 at any major tournament.
2. You have placed in the Top 25% in any online tournament. (So for example, for a 16-man tourney, top 4, for an 8-man tourney, top 2, etc.)
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These are the RULES, which are meant to filter out players who do not fit the definition.

You can't enforce a definition. You can enforce a rule.

Now stop antagonizing me.
 
TiZ said:
Salty things with mean swear words
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So it's a tournament for people that can't do well in tournaments.

Logic.

If you can't win in tournaments, play the game and improve. There is no need to make a kiddy-table-let's-all-feel-good-about-ourselves tournament. If an extremely good player that has never gone to a tournament decides to enter, you have to let him in, because your rules that you enforce are specifically only aimed at tournament play.

By extension, I am not allowed to play in this because I placed 4th in an online tourney (Meaning I'm "too good" to play in this one), but someone who is far better than me, knows frame data, has all matchups covered, and dominates everywhere he goes, who has never entered a tournament, is allowed to play.
 
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