Character Roster is culturally uneven

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Alex.J said:
"reresentation"? Can you please start using spell check? It's built into this forum and lets you know when you spell something wrong. You really have no excuse. Also, tekken pretty much has the same black person multiplied. Since Eddy, Tiger, and Christie have the close to the same move set. I don't think that adds a lot, but maybe I'm wrong about that? Would you be happy if there was a black dude with Pat's move set? Seems kind of lazy to me.
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nope not for those who gone hate on a suggestion just becuase they got the anonymity on the internet. just bring zas back but if a black pat worked in the story yeah but i would still advocate for zas. there where black nights in england. and tekken has
1. Eddy Gordo
2. Bruce Irvin
3. Raven
all interesting stories
thats 3 more than sc5
dont even count christe cause i dont know if she is afro brazillian

still havent heard a good argument why I cant bitch about representation. for those who think media or atleast global media dont have a responsibility to at least try to appeal to all there audience probably dont know what racial exclusion or underepresentation or foul portrayal fells like. yes i can make my own game but that still wouldnt fix the entire problem of ppl being comfortable in a world with no minorities.
 
Alex.J said:
So your definition of love dismisses sex? Without sex within the definition, love is pretty much a-sexual. Meaning your definition of love should fit with anyone, not just women. If you say you are attracted to a girl and want to have sex with her. Whether you have it or not, sex will still be included within the relationship. Since it will dictate your actions. By choosing not to have sex when you want it, you are ultimately giving sex more power than it would normally have. Which can be a perversion in itself. If you fantasize about sex, you might as well have it. Unless that withdrawal of what you want is somehow strengthening your bond with god. And if it is, I still don't agree with it. And since this is now a religious issue also. If you want me to stop talking about it I'll politely drop it. But you seem like a smart and chill dude so I don't think I'm offending you.
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Spoiler for offtopic. Sorry for late reply Alex J.
Religious folk I steer clear of since they made up silly rules that weren't in the Bible to excuse their sins. Too much this religion is better than this one once it gets tense plus manifesting. Therefore I let them be them so they'll keep their bubbles.

That aside, if I happen to know that we love each other for better or for worse, then it'd be alright to have sex. However, I don't. Not all relationships are easy with today's society being too bold with perversion. That's the whole reason why I had to remember commands from God and do my best to be vigilant.

Divorce rates are high because certain people don't know how to commit to a relationship properly. Now it won't be perfect, but at the very least I'd want a relationship through rain and sunshine. I can't bear to sleep around because I know I'd want more than just some friend with benefits. Neither should any lady let herself fornicate with any man without putting standards.

Aside from my older bro and few friends, not many people I've met are accountable after fornicating. Sure they weren't smart imho for doing that, but at least they will commit to a relationship and soon marry. If I'm gonna leave a legacy behind for my young'uns, they need a role model.

My father may or may not had sex before marriage, but either way his intent with having sex is to join together with my mom and have children to pass the torch. Married for over 20 years. Hence that's why I turned out with some sanity of how to treat women. The gist is, people have changed so drastically that it's hard for a lady to find a good man for instance. Everyone thinks about sex, but not many put action to accountability.

A lady who won't be with me over sex might as well leave me, but if she genuinely wants to help me pass the torch via making babies and get married, I'm all for it. That's what I'm looking for and I count on my good friends, family, and most importantly God to help me.

ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
still havent heard a good argument why I cant bitch about representation. for those who think media or atleast global media dont have a responsibility to at least try to appeal to all there audience probably dont know what racial exclusion or underepresentation or foul portrayal fells like. yes i can make my own game but that still wouldnt fix the entire problem of ppl being comfortable in a world with no minorities.
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You can't really get a good answer to your argument except: try to understand other countries instead of demanding stuff. Japan wasn't built on African hands my friend. I haven't met many black dudes who really want to change Japan's perspective on blacks. You might as well get serious and do something about it or shut up about it. Giving us black folks a bad name.
 
Pocky-Yoshi said:
Spoiler for offtopic. Sorry for late reply Alex J.
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No problem Pocky, although our opinions on the subject seem to be drastically different. If anything, the best way to get sex out of the way and focus on other things. Is, well...... having sex. Like if you never do it, it becomes some type of forbidden activity. Therefore, almost making it impossible not to think about it while being with someone. On the other hand, if you knock it out of the way first. It's one less thing to worry about and you can move on with the rest of life. I think it would be a giant shame to date someone for 5 years, then realize they have 0 chemistry in the bedroom.

I don't see a strong correlation between divorces of people who saved themselves for marriage and people who didn't. The strongest correlation in marriages tend to be in places like India where they still have arranged marriages. Arranged marriages have the lowest divorce rate for better or worse. Mainly because people look at the relationship as a utility rather than some romanticized version that is near impossible to accomplish. Our version of marriage seems to be a double edged sword. We see it as this great accomplishment but also a giant burden. Someone "has" to find the right person, "has" to have kids, the "perfect wedding", and all this other stuff. In a lot of ways, I think most marriages don't work out because of being rushed and the social norms we have created. It's more common to cheat on someone then it is to be swingers or have a polyamorous relationship. Since we have this extremely strong idea of "the one" in our minds. So we try to maintain that image even if it's a lie. Which to me seems a little crazy, but that's the world we live in.
 
Alex.J said:
No problem Pocky, although our opinions on the subject seem to be drastically different. If anything, the best way to get sex out of the way and focus on other things. Is, well...... having sex. Like if you never do it, it becomes some type of forbidden activity. Therefore, almost making it impossible not to think about it while being with someone. On the other hand, if you knock it out of the way first. It's one less thing to worry about and you can move on with the rest of life. I think it would be a giant shame to date someone for 5 years, then realize they have 0 chemistry in the bedroom.

I don't see a strong correlation between divorces of people who saved themselves for marriage and people who didn't. The strongest correlation in marriages tend to be in places like India where they still have arranged marriages. Arranged marriages have the lowest divorce rate for better or worse. Mainly because people look at the relationship as a utility rather than some romanticized version that is near impossible to accomplish. Our version of marriage seems to be a double edged sword. We see it as this great accomplishment but also a giant burden. Someone "has" to find the right person, "has" to have kids, the "perfect wedding", and all this other stuff. In a lot of ways, I think most marriages don't work out because of being rushed and the social norms we have created. It's more common to cheat on someone then it is to be swingers or have a polyamorous relationship. Since we have this extremely strong idea of "the one" in our minds. So we try to maintain that image even if it's a lie. Which to me seems a little crazy, but that's the world we live in.
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I hate arranged marriages so I always feel sorry for both parties haha. If it works out great. If not, oh well. I'd hate to be in that latter situation though.

We both have a different perspectives, but it's just we do things differently to get with the one we love. Love does make us do crazy things, and I will agree that it sure as heck do things we normally wouldn't do. Who knows, I'll mess up bad yet try to work things out. I rather fall off 8 times and get up 9 times in what I believe in. I do think of sex like most guys, I just try my best not to let all hang out. That's just who I am.

You know when we both have our own ladies, we ought to sit and chat about how it all happen. For now though, I enjoy being a single virgin bachelor for now. Rather to make the ladies swoon me, I'll just be me and see who latches on to me.....hopefully no one of the standards I disapprove of. I'm pretty sure you'll do things I'm against, but it's your life and I'm not those religious folk who force it down your throat.

Probably the reason why some people dislike religions. They can be zealous but not practical. I mean, it must suck to be those guys who can't eat pork. Missing out on stuff like bacon.
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
nope not for those who gone hate on a suggestion just becuase they got the anonymity on the internet. just bring zas back but if a black pat worked in the story yeah but i would still advocate for zas. there where black nights in england. and tekken has
1. Eddy Gordo
2. Bruce Irvin
3. Raven
all interesting stories
thats 3 more than sc5
dont even count christe cause i dont know if she is afro brazillian

still havent heard a good argument why I cant bitch about representation. for those who think media or atleast global media dont have a responsibility to at least try to appeal to all there audience probably dont know what racial exclusion or underepresentation or foul portrayal fells like. yes i can make my own game but that still wouldnt fix the entire problem of ppl being comfortable in a world with no minorities.
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First off you will never read an argument to your liking. It's obvious your mind is set and not willing to listen to other people's contributions. I refuse to believe anyone in Tekken has an intereting story regardless of race. Raven was a direct rip off of "Blade". Most characters have dumb endings and they rarely care about any real type of story or character development. For instance, if P.Jack wins the tournament, he builds a bigger P.Jack to fly around in. Funny, but not really a compelling story.

As far as bitching about representation, you can do what you want. You do sound like an idiot but you can do whatever you please, it's a free country. To see you only care about the inclusion of black people in videogames shows that you are basically just in it for yourself. I didn't see a part where you wanted representation of other races like Native Americans or Egyptians. There is a long list of ethnic groups that could be added into Soul Calibur. The list of cultures and ethnicity that Namco would have to include would be insane. Create a Souls really is the best solution to this problem. Here is a modern categorization of ethnic groups that live on this planet. Let me know if you really think we should include all of them. Seems a bit tedious and unrewarding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_ethnic_groups


You also continue to dismiss my point about Def Jam: Fight for NY. Which is almost entirely black people in it. I'm curious to know if you think this is fine or if they need to add other races in the game?
 
didn't see a part where you wanted representation of other races like Native Americans or Egyptians.

i said diverse and included talim for the philipinos that was already a given through the thread topic

you are probably right i probably wont see a argument to my liking and that probably wont happen until we can be 100% sure that privilege doesnt bar other peoples compacity for empathy.

oh you just mad Tekken got a better sense of humor than SC
didnt say compelling said interesting since you wanna nitpic

Dont care about def jam because its not a good fighting game and that game is about hip hop
so if eminem or isane clone possy (hip hop?) or any other white hip hop artist wanna be it so be it

and again cas soul is cool but it say alot more to have POC in the story. global media have an optional moral responsiblity to include all they can but its still a moral resposibilty
 
Onyyx said:
Not every video game in the world has to appeal to every demographic in the world. If you don't like it make your own. It doesn't show the slightest audacity to assume that you can muscle your way into other people's creative decisions, no sir.
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that was the same argument for seperat but equal jim crow laws in America
in sight of MLK day

yall should be happy a black person is trying to soundly challenge your racial understandings instead of just saying fuck you honkies.

thats how alot POC's would react to alot of these dickish tones
 
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ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
that was the same argument for seperat but equal jim crow laws in America
in sight of MLK day

yall should be happy a black person is trying to soundly challenge your racial understandings instead of just saying fuck you honkies.

thats how alot POC's would react to alot of these dickish tones
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Would you mind explaining to a hopelessly privileged white male like myself how Soulcalibur V's cast not having enough "people of color" to suit your arbitrary demands is even remotely comparable to Jim Crow laws?
I don't see any governments imposing laws against including black people in videogames. In the end it's a combination of developer priorities and business decisions. If this is a huge issue to you, vote with your wallet, don't buy the game, and fuck off back to whatever perpetually offended tumblr community you came from.
 
ICHI_BOTOSAI said:
didn't see a part where you wanted representation of other races like Native Americans or Egyptians.

i said diverse and included talim for the philipinos that was already a given through the thread topic

you are probably right i probably wont see a argument to my liking and that probably wont happen until we can be 100% sure that privilege doesnt bar other peoples compacity for empathy.

oh you just mad Tekken got a better sense of humor than SC
didnt say compelling said interesting since you wanna nitpic

Dont care about def jam because its not a good fighting game and that game is about hip hop
so if eminem or isane clone possy (hip hop?) or any other white hip hop artist wanna be it so be it

and again cas soul is cool but it say alot more to have POC in the story. global media have an optional moral responsiblity to include all they can but its still a moral resposibilty
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Again, you really want Namco to cover all these groups? Is it really their moral responsibility? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_ethnic_groups Or do you only care about promoting black people in videogames? It seems like you don't care 2 shits about including white people into games where there are none. Which means when the tables are turned you don't care. If you are going to sling the moral responsibility on people to include cultures. Why are all your topics almost completely focused on black people and not just races across the world?
 
Slade said:
Would you mind explaining to a hopelessly privileged white male like myself how Soulcalibur V's cast not having enough "people of color" to suit your arbitrary demands is even remotely comparable to Jim Crow laws?
I don't see any governments imposing laws against including black people in videogames. In the end it's a combination of developer priorities and business decisions. If this is a huge issue to you, vote with your wallet, don't buy the game, and fuck off back to whatever perpetually offended tumblr community you came from.
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one im not trying to hurt the game and ill admit its not that serious to start a boycott. there are better things to do.

and jim crow was based on seperate but equal telling blacks to go ahead you can do with you do just not in our boundaries go make stuff for your ppl and we make stuff for ours. because of this black buisness didnt have supports of whites, the majority, meaning they had less money
there were some buisness tht had supports of white and they flourished but it still didnt solve the overarching problem that because of this segragation, it still wasnt equal. unless we can convince our media controlled by the majority to be more conclusive we will still have conversations such as this and never understand the view of the minority. and the majority will still be used to a world with others. isnt that what at least television says to you white people love being aroun white ppl and if they dont they the subconscience privilege of doing so where as ppl call out blacks for have BSU in college or black frats or B.E.T(which i do not like). but you know you are right about doing something myself but it is still just as viable as demanding the action for others also.
 
No black men in 1600's Eurasia = Jim Crow?

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Ichi has a pretty simple definition of racism. It's essentially anything he doesn't agree with is racist. Also, we are all white people somehow.
 
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