Who would win: Pit two characters who never fought in canon in battle.

[Alex.J]

Not an assumption.

Yes it is an assumption.

One can imagine that the sword would not only be one of the hardest and sharpest weapon of all time

Your original statement I said was an assumption. Just because one knows Soul Edge is powerful. Does not necessarily means its the hardest or sharpest. Ergo, being an assumption. Considering it has been broken multiple times in the series would suggest it's not that hard or tough.

See above with Cervantes's example. Dude became a terror when he got it and he only became more powerful the more souls he consumed. Same with Siggy.

Irrelevant. One's personal strength has nothing to do with the sword being hardest or sharpest.

With SE growing stronger, SC also grows stronger as well due to the holy tribe making this stupid cycle that supposedly never ends. Storywise, no one can use it unless SC chooses them. Siggy couldn't use it anymore even though he had the sword in his possession for 17 years.
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SE growing stronger does not mean it's hardest or sharpest.

 

[Marginal]

A hard sword's more likely to shatter. Given that SE has demonstrated that it can be shattered, It may be a little more durable that a standard sword, but it's not all that more impressive in that regard.

 

[darkwings13]

Yes it is an assumption.




Your original statement I said was an assumption. Just because one knows Soul Edge is powerful. Does not necessarily means its the hardest or sharpest. Ergo, being an assumption. Considering it has been broken multiple times in the series would suggest it's not that hard or tough.






Irrelevant. One's personal strength has nothing to do with the sword being hardest or sharpest.




SE growing stronger does not mean it's hardest or sharpest.

SE growing stronger = the wielder growing stronger. That's the main point. It may be the sharpest/hardest or it may not it doesn't matter. Only reason why it's sought after is because it's a booster and you'd supposedly win every battle with it. Like the elder wand in harry Potter is supposedly the most powerful wand.
Only time it's ever really been damaged by something normal, was Raphael sticking a rapier through SE eye. Otherwise it's SC, sophi holy sword, Taki's weapon, that shatters it.

 

[Alex.J]

It may be the sharpest/hardest or it may not it doesn't matter

You the one who said that. You also argued when I said it was only an assumption.

Only time it's ever really been damaged by something normal, was Raphael sticking a rapier through SE eye. Otherwise it's SC, sophi holy sword, Taki's weapon, that shatters it.

So basically what you are saying, everyone and their mom can break it.

Only reason why it's sought after is because it's a booster and you'd supposedly win every battle with it.

Three reasons someone generally looks for Soul Edge.

1. They hear it's the strongest weapon. Then say "oh shit" when they realized it's cursed and they get fucked over.

2. They know it's evil and want to destroy it.

3. They know it's evil and want to be more evil.

So the fact people want it, isn't a correlation of how powerful it is. More ignorance than anything.

 

[ZER0]

You the one who said that. You also argued when I said it was only an assumption.



So basically what you are saying, everyone and their mom can break it.



Three reasons someone generally looks for Soul Edge.

1. They hear it's the strongest weapon. Then say "oh shit" when they realized it's cursed and they get fucked over.

2. They know it's evil and want to destroy it.

3. They know it's evil and want to be more evil.

So the fact people want it, isn't a correlation of how powerful it is. More ignorance than anything.

4 Koreans believed it to be the sword of salvation...then hwang got fked

 

[SC_Yin]

Bring back Hwang

 

[darkwings13]

You the one who said that. You also argued when I said it was only an assumption.



So basically what you are saying, everyone and their mom can break it.



Three reasons someone generally looks for Soul Edge.

1. They hear it's the strongest weapon. Then say "oh shit" when they realized it's cursed and they get fucked over.

2. They know it's evil and want to destroy it.

3. They know it's evil and want to be more evil.

So the fact people want it, isn't a correlation of how powerful it is. More ignorance than anything.

If they have the accuracy and luck to stab SE in the eye, then they can damage it intensively yea lol. But even though Raph poked it, he didn't actually break it. The act freed Siggy's mind temporarily and it ripped open an abyss that shot out Soul Calibur. Siggy then took it and stabbed Soul Edge to try and finish the job, resulting in Soul Embrace.

They only get f*** over if they're not strong enough to wield it. Algol could wield it fine and rule the world. Even Pyrrha did in the end when she used it to free Pat. Also, I already said Cervantes was the biggest proof that it was a booster. With it, he gained massive powers and became the dreaded zombie pirate. Even the artbook said, "Cervantes could still remember the power of Soul Edge, the way it pushed himself beyond his natural mental and physical limits."
So people do want it because it is exactly that powerful.

I feel like this thread kinda went off-topic.... (>O-O)

 

[Alex.J]

If they have the accuracy and luck to stab SE in the eye, then they can damage it intensively yea lol. But even though Raph poked it, he didn't actually break it. The act freed Siggy's mind temporarily and it ripped open an abyss that shot out Soul Calibur. Siggy then took it and stabbed Soul Edge to try and finish the job, resulting in Soul Embrace.

Alternate endings say otherwise. Everyone and their mom makes Soul Edge their bitch. The legend of the sword brings them in. But the sword itself is fairly weak sauce. Multiple characters based on the video game itself, have the strength to break Soul Edge. Taki even reforges the sword. If anything, this is proof ANYONE can break the sword. Hell, I could break Soul Edge man. It's not a strong sword by any means.


Does this look like a lucky stab to you? Mitsu broke both soul edge swords with one swing man.

Taki makes Soul Edge her bitch and reforges them into holy weapons

Alternate ending where Siegfriend breaks the sword

 

[darkwings13]

Alternate endings say otherwise. Everyone and their mom makes Soul Edge their bitch. The legend of the sword brings them in. But the sword itself is fairly weak sauce. Multiple characters based on the video game itself, have the strength to break Soul Edge. Taki even reforges the sword. If anything, this is proof ANYONE can break the sword. Hell, I could break Soul Edge man. It's not a strong sword by any means.


Does this look like a lucky stab to you? Mitsu broke both soul edge swords with one swing man.

Taki makes Soul Edge her bitch and reforges them into holy weapons

Alternate ending where Siegfriend breaks the sword

And the endings aren't cannon. Otherwise I'd mention that SE got broken by the air/wind in Talim's SCIII ending.
Taki did use a SE fragment to augment one of her blades but that's it.
If it's it that easy to break then there is no point of looking for a holy chosen one and stuff like that in the first place.

 

[Sett]

I'd imagine if you defeat Soul Edge human form its swords would be weak and easy to smash until it recovers. But that would beg the question of why would Soul Edge expose itself to fight someone, probably so it doesn't get locked away I guess.


Taki is someone who uses extreme speed while fighting, who would be the best at plucking someone from the air? The person who has the fastest attack in potential Soul Calibur history.

 

[Alex.J]

And the endings aren't cannon. .

And the first post in this thread

Hey! Let's pit characters who have never fought in canon in battle while using extensive research to determine the winner.

Hmmmm, It's a thread about characters who never fought each other in canon. So this whole thread is speculation based on non canon scenarios? Why on Earth would I use alternative endings as evidence? Why would that ever be applicable? Using non canon in a thread about non canon? That's insane?!?!?!?! You seem to have an answer for everything darkwing, plz tell me. It's really confusing.


P.S. Soul Edge weak as balls.

 

[linkorz]

the presumption is that you're taking canon, and pasting it in a non-canon environment

also pat >>>>>>> taki

 

[darkwings13]

And the first post in this thread



Hmmmm, It's a thread about characters who never fought each other in canon. So this whole thread is speculation based on non canon scenarios? Why on Earth would I use alternative endings as evidence? Why would that ever be applicable? Using non canon in a thread about non canon? That's insane?!?!?!?! You seem to have an answer for everything darkwing, plz tell me. It's really confusing.


P.S. Soul Edge weak as balls.

I'd assume we'd still used canon evidence to support non-cannon matches, that's all Alex.
No I don't have an answer for everything. For example, I still can't decide on who actually won in the fight between setsuka and Mitsu. (>O-O) Not sure either on the power level of Algol, Edgemaster and Olcadan if we throw those three into a ring. They're all either tied or one is slightly stronger than the other.

 

[Alex.J]

I'd assume we'd still used canon evidence to support non-cannon matches, that's all Alex.
No I don't have an answer for everything. For example, I still can't decide on who actually won in the fight between setsuka and Mitsu. (>O-O) Not sure either on the power level of Algol, Edgemaster and Olcadan if we throw those three into a ring. They're all either tied or one is slightly stronger than the other.

So non canon stories that were in the original game. Shouldn't be used as evidence for non canon matches? Why not?

 

[SomeRandomHuman]

Alternate endings are canon non-canon. They are part of SC story, but didn't happen.
It's not like people using alt endings as an argument are taking them from thin air.

 

[Party Wolf]

Who'd win between ZWEI and Jeb Bush

 

[darkwings13]

So non canon stories that were in the original game. Shouldn't be used as evidence for non canon matches? Why not?

Cuz some are non-probable?
Like Olcadan, an equal to Edgemaster, getting caught and trapped into a cage in one of Rock's SCIII ending?
To me, one would base a theory or argument off facts which = cannon. For example, if someone said Taki can beat Nightmare because she beat Siggy in her SCIV ending, then I'd literally go ಠ_ಠ because it's an assumption based of something that never actually happened.

 

[Alex.J]

Cuz some are non-probable?
Like Olcadan, an equal to Edgemaster, getting caught and trapped into a cage in one of Rock's SCIII ending?
To me, one would base a theory or argument off facts which = cannon. For example, if someone said Taki can beat Nightmare because she beat Siggy in her SCIV ending, then I'd literally go ಠ_ಠ because it's an assumption based of something that never actually happened.

So you are saying non canon doesn't work for non canon? Who made you the king of non canon rules?

 

[Alex.J]

Who'd win between ZWEI and Jeb Bush

Jeb

 

[Fendante]

So you are saying non canon doesn't work for non canon? Who made you the king of non canon rules?

Canon events are ones that officially occurred in the storyline. My friend DarkWings is simply supporting the simple idea that canon events serve as stronger evidence than non-canon events. She is definitely not being a "king of non cannon rules".

This thread aims to encourage discussion on the outcome of a fight between two characters who have never fought in the actual story. Obviously, with the lack of concrete evidence, people can make all kinds of assumptions. You are free to think however you wish. There is no right or wrong answer, unless the developers choose who wins.