Soulcalibur VI DLC Discussion Thread

@Rusted Blade
You are clinging to particularities instead of understanding the bigger picture I'm trying to convey here. Every day you benefit from work thousands of other people do and 95% of the time you never even interact with those people, hell, often they live in foreign countries you will never even visit. Our civilisation is built on mediated co-operation where people join forces driven by overarching ideas and agreements instead of personal acquaintances.
 
Klimat said:
@Rusted Blade
You are clinging to particularities instead of understanding the bigger picture I'm trying to convey here. Every day you benefit from work thousands of other people do and 95% of the time you never even interact with those people, hell, often they live in foreign countries you will never even visit. Our civilisation is built on mediated co-operation where people join forces driven by overarching ideas and agreements instead of personal acquaintances.
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I hit you up via DM so as to give the thread a rest. ;)

RagingGhost said:
I take it none of you got news about the first CaS DLC yet?
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Alas, nothing new to report yet.
 
Nyte said:
Also, here's the list of franchises that went downhill after "trying to get with the times":

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It's not just something I made up. Check the links and you'll see.
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Did you look into any of these? I'm going to have to assume not for various reasons -- e.g. your description of a one-off film like "Annihilation" as a "franchise," and the fact that this list includes freakin' Marvel comic books, which have had abysmally low sales numbers across the board for over two decades now and really only serve a purpose for the company in seeing print to keep trademarks alive for more lucrative endeavors (merchandising, film, etc.).

Also, this article you linked is calling "went broke" on "Solo"? And yet you still found it credible?

Even as a lifelong "Star Wars" fan who thinks "The Last Jedi" was great, I didn't go see "Solo" and I still haven't bothered. It's on my "I'll get around to it" list. But I can think of plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with TLJ why "Solo" performed below studio expectations (i.e. still raked in crazy numbers most studios would kill for, but just not what Disney expected):

  • It was too soon after TLJ
  • It broke with the December release tradition established with the three prior films
  • Probably most importantly, who gives a shit about a young(er) Han Solo story? We already had young Han Solo in the original trilogy, and it told me all I needed to know about the guy. I love the character, but sell this to me on more of a basis than "It exists"
  • The trailer sucked, giving little to no reason to believe the movie would be anything but your typical competently compositioned by-the-numbers action flick
Again, I'm a lifelong SW fan. I'll be turning 33 this year, and I've loved the franchise since I was three years old. Yet I think TLJ was great, am hyped as fook for Episode IX, and have yet to give the slightest shart about "Solo" thus far.

Over and above this absurdity about "Star Wars," though, I have to call shenanigans on this b.s. about "Annihilation" -- one of the best sci-fi films I've ever seen.

It isn't trying to be "woke," in the first place (which anyone who has actually watched it could tell you =P), but its poor box-office performance is entirely attributable to 1) getting a bizarrely limited run on very few screens with very few showtimes in the U.S. while going straight to Netflix without a theatrical release in the rest of the world; and 2) opening on those few screens while "Black Panther" was still slaughtering the box office.

Nyte said:
What are you even talking about? "Left behind"? You realize how many franchises went downward after they tried to show how "mature" they were, alienating their fans?

Also, Japan doesn't care about western censorship culture. That, and they're appealing to a wider audience than just their "older fans". The SC fanbase in general likes the sexiness, and if they took it away, they would leave in droves. The DOA guys even said as much about their series, which is why it's not "toned down", as much as it is tucked away but still present.
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I may not agree with RB about this "left behind" notion, but you're terribly off base yourself with this "SC fans would leave in droves" notion.

Klimat said:
You are clinging to particularities instead of understanding the bigger picture I'm trying to convey here. Every day you benefit from work thousands of other people do and 95% of the time you never even interact with those people, hell, often they live in foreign countries you will never even visit. Our civilisation is built on mediated co-operation where people join forces driven by overarching ideas and agreements instead of personal acquaintances.
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None of that determines how we do or should view one another, though. That's what you guys were discussing.
 
With EVO seemingly to be about balancing and discussing the future, I feel like our best case scenario would be releasing the first pack of CaS parts, to give us an idea of what to expect from them in the future for the second pack, and perhaps more packs in season two, and a Cassandra trailer, to basically confirm the datamine, for Cassandra and Amy at least, being legitimate. No release date given for Cassandra, of course, since 2B didn’t get one, but they could at least give some idea of what to expect, moving forward, with such a trailer.
 
I honestly think sexual aesthetics are fine as long as it’s not so ridiculously over the top. Ivy’s SC4 costume tends to come into mind when I think of something trying too hard to appeal to her fanbase. Her SCV costume honestly had a decent amount of balance to it, sure it covered her breasts (unless the armor break occurred) but you could still see her thighs and her ass just fine.

Ok I’m done. Now if we can get back to discussing DLC.....gimme muh Aeon back.
 
Wow. That was intense. Don't want to Stoke any fires here, but personally I'm mature enough to not be bothered by sexual content in video games, and no that doesn't mean I'm playing my game with one hand and jerking off with the other. It's no different than watching a movie with a risky scene. It's whatever. I have nothing against either side of this but the game is the way it is and personally I find it entertaining. If it makes you so uncomfortable, then I guess play something else or do whatever you gotta do, but please, don't demand censorship on my games. I'm a big boy and I can decide for myself what I want to see in my video games. If it's too much for me I simple won't buy the game.

Now on the topic of what I want to see is that CaS dlc! C'mon Okubo!
 
Crash X said:
I honestly think sexual aesthetics are fine as long as it’s not so ridiculously over the top. Ivy’s SC4 costume tends to come into mind when I think of something trying too hard to appeal to her fanbase. Her SCV costume honestly had a decent amount of balance to it, sure it covered her breasts (unless the armor break occurred) but you could still see her thighs and her ass just fine.

Ok I’m done. Now if we can get back to discussing DLC.....gimme muh Aeon back.
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Yeah, I always though that outfit looked like an interesting combination of her SCII first and third outfits.

Kraft_D said:
Wow. That was intense. Don't want to Stoke any fires here, but personally I'm mature enough to not be bothered by sexual content in video games, and no that doesn't mean I'm playing my game with one hand and jerking off with the other. It's no different than watching a movie with a risky scene. It's whatever. I have nothing against either side of this but the game is the way it is and personally I find it entertaining. If it makes you so uncomfortable, then I guess play something else or do whatever you gotta do, but please, don't demand censorship on my games. I'm a big boy and I can decide for myself what I want to see in my video games. If it's too much for me I simple won't buy the game.

Now on the topic of what I want to see is that CaS dlc! C'mon Okubo!
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Well I don't think a single person here (on either side of the debate) has suggested they are uncomfortable with sexual content. "Uncomfortable" suggests anxiety or discomforture. The difference of opinion is simply about whether or not the use of sexuality in this franchise is always very effective, particularly as regards the advertisements that surround Ivy whenever a new entry comes out--this being the image that got the debate rolling. Some people find these ads genuinely "sexy" and perfectly within the bounds of expectations for the game and others find them over-the-top and cringe-worthy (not so much for being offensive so much as pandering and "juvenile"). But I don't think anybody here is a puritan hiding their eyes behind their hands every time Taki comes on the screen. Certainly no one is advocating "censorship"--though some on both "sides" have opined as to to what the actual balance might be that the average SC fan wants, in terms of more pragmatic vs. more revealing character designs.
 
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The only outfits I find absurd is Ivy and Voldo's. They are only two characters out of the entire roster and having such absurdity is a defining feature of them, so meh.

Personally I dislike both sides because if one character is covered one side screams about PC crap and if one character is lude the other side screams objectification even if not all are that bad.

I like variety and some of both, but honestly any mix will result in a bitch fest with both sides accusing the game of both pc nonsense and objectification at the same time, the game becoming known for the aspect for whichever side screams loudest.
 
The problem I have with the objectification argument is that it's presented as if it's some form of justice. If the argument is that you think a design is trash I wouldn't give a shit but the objectification argument is a cover to what's really happening and that's an attempt to control sexuality with the demonization of either real people or in the case of gaming the demonization of the developers. I take issue to that. Oppressive morality isn't justice it's just a warped sense of tyranny.
 
Ardenwolf said:
The only outfits I find absurd is Ivy and Voldo's. They are only two characters out of the entire roster and having such absurdity is a defining feature of them, so meh.

Personally I dislike both sides because if one character is covered one side screams about PC crap and if one character is lude the other side screams objectification even if not all are that bad.

I like variety and some of both, but honestly any mix will result in a bitch fest with both sides accusing the game of both pc nonsense and objectification at the same time, the game becoming known for the aspect for whichever side screams loudest.
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Yes, and frankly, you can't be a fan of the franchise over two decades without embracing this element of anachronistic absurdity just as much as the rest. While I arguably set this brujaja off by mentioning how juvenile and pandering I thought that particular ad was (which perspective I stand by), I should note that my feelings about Ivy herself are substantially more complicated: almost word for word, this article captures the mixed perceptions I have about her design, and the designs of the female characters of the series in general. It's a good read: I recommend it.

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the objectification argument is a cover to what's really happening and that's an attempt to control sexuality with the demonization of either real people or in the case of gaming the demonization of the developers. I take issue to that. Oppressive morality isn't justice it's just a warped sense of tyranny.
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Ehhh, that's a pretty bold way to dismiss all possible criticism. You can't just disregard all reasonable complaints about objectification that people might have about the way women are represented in the series by suggesting it is really just about puritanical drives. Objectification means exactly what the morphemes of the word imply: it means reducing someone (or a class of someones, generally women) to objects meant for consumption and use. If you don't think there's at least a little bit of that going on in Soulcalibur's history of visual design, I think you've lost the plot. But in any event, even if you disagree with those who advance that argument, you need to at least understand that it's a very different thing from puritanical drives--seeing all sexuality as evil and unwholesome and "just plain wrong". Those two perspectives are extremely different objections. Sometimes some people may combine them into one complaint (using the protection of women to justify their puritanicalism, even if they are themselves deeply misogynistic) but I think most people generally are in one camp, the other, or neither when it comes to a particular work of art. Most people who have complaints about the objectification have no problem with sexual imagery in general--they just have qualms about what it means for the class of person being represented, in a particular instance. I don't think it's fair, accurate, or remotely realistic to lump all criticisms in with the concept of "oppressive morality", let alone "tyranny".
 
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Ardenwolf said:
The only outfits I find absurd is Ivy and Voldo's. They are only two characters out of the entire roster and having such absurdity is a defining feature of them, so meh.
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Well as absurd as their designs are, it has usually been a part of their appeal. The way I see it, it’s about 1/3 of that. Just like the rest of the cast.
 
I just like Voldo. I don't care if he is a bit of a weird'n and his costumes are fairly cool imo. Fanservice never bothered me honestly.

For the DLC I would like to see some guest artist stuff. Old stuff is great, but guest artists can really add to a game.

SJWs annoy me personally, no need to trash something others like. It's unneeded.
 
Crash X said:
Well as absurd as their designs are, it has usually been a part of their appeal. The way I see it, it’s about 1/3 of that. Just like the rest of the cast.
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I find them absurd doesn't mean I don't like them. As I said, I like variety. Which is where games tend to lack when it comes to women compared to men. Which is where my one complaint is.

Games tend to embrace one side or the other only drifting a so far to the other side.

Which as a person who tends to prefer the middle can get annoying because in both cases they often fail to hit the styles I prefer.

Like a dress, one side tends to emphasize sex appeal over something more focused on being pretty and beautiful. While with the other they are bland and boring if you're luck enough to get a dress at all.
 
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For the DLC I would like to see some guest artist stuff. Old stuff is great, but guest artists can really add to a game.
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I mean, I was more thinking things like Ashlotte and Kami, they had costumes. Also I quite like the boots on that dragon/demon armour by yamatogawa. Anyway what's wrong with Leixia's costume? I loved it
 
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