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Alright. Check your inbox. I sent a message, we can talk that way instead of polluting this thread :)alright kewl ill b on later tonight parents still up and what not rofl im a late player.
So guys I don't know if this is really known yet but I think Tira's hitbox is larger in Gloomy than Jolly. Found it by putzing around in the training mode with tech crouches etc. Well I ended up recording Pat to do 236AB. Jolly steps no problem to either side, Gloomy can't step it at all. =\ I dunno hopefully I'm wrong.
I'm checkin' it out now. Seems to be something with her quick step(or it could be a hitbox and regular step moves it off axis faster). Tested it with Cerv BBB which is super easy to step towards his left.I personally don't like JS 4A that much anymore, within or outside of combos. Seen it too many times I side step, 3b punish a vertical and the 4a whiffs through their body no matter size of the character. So I don't trust the move as much anymore.
I should use JS 3K more. I have had some weird times I swear her toe has gone through their body instead of hitting, but maybe I was just spacing it wrong.
I will test this with a friend since that could dramatically change how spacing works. I hope you are wrong as well.
I'm checkin' it out now. Seems to be something with her quick step(or it could be a hitbox and regular step moves it off axis faster). Tested it with Cerv BBB which is super easy to step towards his left.
1)quick stepping after the second be to his right in jolly will lead to her getting hit everytime unless you're at very tip range.
2)single sidestep to his right in jolly evaded it about as often as she ate it.
3)Gloomy got hit everytime doing a single sidestep right and quick step unless at tip.
4)Jolly could evade the last hit every time by stepping to his left, be it with a single step or QS.
5) Gloomy can step it very consistently with a single sidestep, but quick step occasionally leads to her getting nailed by the last B.
Similar thing happened with Aeon BBB. Jolly can side step OR quick step the 2nd and 3rd hit to either side. Gloomy can avoid the 2nd with a qs or ss to either side, but can only get out of the way of the final with a single step either way.
I know, I was getting so massacred by a Maxi that I made a thread just for the matchup asking for help lol. The Maxi player walked me through his moves and explained how to counter them a bit so I do alright now but it's not something I feel comfortable trying to explain.Jesus, Christ, Maxi seems like such an awful match up for Tira. You are pretty much free in JS, you cannot hit any kind of button, ever.