α Patroklos General Discussion/ Q&A

[william]

^ I could try that...just wasn't sure an i14 would cut the mustard.

Depending on the move, if its a 2A you're trying to JG and punish you don't exactly have i14 to do it.

 

[Syn_SC]

Ugh... Learnimg JG punishes should be treared like learning block punishment, go into training mode and see exactly what you get off of each move you JG.

 

[OmegaAlchemyst]

How could I go about buffering 2143a:B on block/JG? Most of the time on a buffer I usually get an i15-i16 JF Twister, I've tried punishing Alpha Patroklos's 44B+K, and I can only punish it about 1/8 or 1/9 times.

 

[Syn_SC]

Practice against cetain blockstuns, though I would say aim to be punishing -14 as a competent benchmark, though this is blockstun dependent eg:
Tira's GS 3B should be a staple jf twister punish
Generic 2K however I would not expect consistently from most alphas.

 

[OmegaAlchemyst]

Yea I've been punishing the 44B+K which is -14, along with other attacks outside of training mode. I think I need to get the timing of when to start 214. I'm trying to do 214 during the block then right after the block 3a:B. Would that work?

 

[Syn_SC]

I just do 2143a:B all together as fast as possible, lol.

 

[Pernicious-Soul]

If anyone has problems hitting double twister remember you can also just 2343k after JFT. Damage isn't as as high but timing is easier.

 

[Logan]

Personally, I don't usually go for JFT. Sure the damage is good, and I can actually get it a lot of the time, but it is a little to risky for my taste. If you miss it, you are extremely vulnerable, and I like to play as safe as possible. So instead after a grounded twister I will just run up and try to get a 50/50 on the opponent. Most of Alphas 50/50s aren't that damaging, but a mixup like 1B:B or 33B mixed with 1AA or throws can still be pretty scary. The only time I really go for double twister is when it will kill them and I have a huge life lead.

 

[Logan]

Personally, I don't usually go for JFT. Sure the damage is good, and I can actually get it a lot of the time, but it is a little to risky for my taste. If you miss it, you are extremely vulnerable, and I like to play as safe as possible. So instead after a grounded twister I will just run up and try to get a 50/50 on the opponent. Most of Alphas 50/50s aren't that damaging, but a mixup like 1B:B or 33B mixed with 1AA or throws can still be pretty scary. The only time I really go for double twister is when it will kill them and I have a huge life lead.

I meant double JFT, sorry.

 

[Syn_SC]

Most of Alphas 50/50s aren't that damaging.

Lolwut?
A throw - 100 ish damage
B throw - 120 ish damage
1B:B - 100+ damage

And for mid/low, these two cannot be distinguished between:
B+K - 90 Damage
1AAA - 50 damage

Alpha has some of the best and most damaging 50/50s in the game. What are you comparing his 50/50s to to call them not damaging? Marvel 3?

 

[Dragonfall]

I haven't played this game in a while. Did they release a rebalance patch?

 

[Steven_a]

No.

 

[Syn_SC]

Nah, Alpha's still broke as fuck, lol

 

[Pernicious-Soul]

I really don't think alphas broken. He's top tier but not broken.

 

[Syn_SC]

I have to disagree.

 

[Jewbie07]

He's only broken in the hands of someone with perfect execution, and i've yet to see that.

 

[Syn_SC]

My execution is not 100% perfect but its enough to make pretty much anyone I play offline or online agree he's broken. Even if I lose, lol.

 

[LP]

Alpha isn't broken, but definitely stupid good. He has:

Safe launchers
Best block punishment
Half-life high crush
Half-life+ wall combos
FC 2k
About half-life throws.
Stupid whiff punishment
Doesn't need meter
An aGI
And he's stupid safe.
And don't forget an 8 frame super.

It's hard to know unless you play a decent aPat offline. Online, most of these things cannot be seen.

 

[Syn_SC]

My defenition of broken is stupid good so I fail to see where we disagree, lol.

 

[Jewbie07]

Don't get me wrong i think he's easily the best character in the game, just not broken.