Curious about the state of the PSN SCV community.

[AKNova7]

Maybe if I let Catgirl rant in here for a bit longer he'll stop for a while.

I don't mind helping you with that goal. I'm actually bored enough for this anyway. Just tell me when I need to quit.

At least Microsoft isn't known for shutting down mutliple online game's servers randomly, unlike Sony:

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ne...ne-support-for-several-ps3-games-in-2014.html

Assuming Elder Scrolls: Online in 2018 you'll still be playing the game on Xbox One, while Sony PS4 has already shut down it's online servers! (Speculation of course, but Sony is known for this type of behavior. I'd rather pay a premium online price to Microsoft then deal with Sony's poor interfaces and random server closes.)

Nice try. Sony Computer Entertainment published all those games. Is the TES published by Sony? No. That's why they could stop supporting the games listed above.

Furthermore, that's very likely a money issue. PS Plus will now step up to support that for the PS4. Hard keeping servers up with no fees...unless you're M$, that is, paying off everyone with the hard-stolen money from your customers.

AND.... Augmented TV, Skype chat while gaming, Voice commands, free motion games (where as Sony has only like 1), free hand motion features integrated into games. (In BattleField 4, on Xbox One if you move side to side in your seat you actually duck behind cover, on PS4 you can't.) Xbox One also has the Quick-Game Swap feature.

It's pretty obvious Xbox has more features, and now Xbox is no longer region locked, meaning we can play Japanese games, which IMO was the biggest leg-up the PS3 had over the Xbox360. XB1 also got Dead Rising 3 as an exclusive, which also features free-motion Kinect integration.

Those features would be nice and relevant if they actually, you know, went towards something that appealed to the...gamers that bought the system.

Augmented TV? Why do I need a $500 remote control that I could use with my voice?
Skype chat while gaming? Why pound your bandwidth anymore than it already is with 12GB Xbox One patches?
Voice Commands ARE in the PS4, by the way. And we don't need the camera to use them. A mic works fine.
Motion Games? Interesting, but that's not going to replace missing PS franchises to hardcore gamers.

Free hand motion features on Xbox One? Who needs a camera for that. BF4 has no motion lean on PS4?

http://pixelenemy.com/battlefield-4...battlelog-ui-sixaxis-sensor-for-easy-leaning/

Where's your TouchPad support, Xbox One?

Furthermore, I also vote that not having 10 minute plus install times for each game, not having mandatory installs, replaceable HD, Simultaneous Update-Downloads and installs, Headphone Jack, easier API, more rendering power, 3.5MM, and rendering Turtle Beach headsets obsolete should all count as feature check-marks in the PS4's favor.

Notice how they're game related. Interesting, isn't it?

Finally, you can't play Japanese games that simply won't exist for your system anyway. Japan will abandon the Xbox One just like the other Xbox consoles. And then, just like this generation, Japanese games will disappear from Xbox because they can't make money in Japan when nobody has an Xbox 360 console there. That's what happened to Persona 4 Arena. You can say that hasn't happened, or how do you know that, but the fact is, the Xbox 360 wasn't the first time that happened.

It's all going to look the same on a digital HD PVR, it's all going to look the same on Youtube. It's going to look practically the same on a 1080p television, with very slightly better resolution. But then again, if we honestly did care THAT much about resolution, then we'd never have a reason to play a PS3 or Xbox360 game again... right? Unless, it doesn't matter and we just play the game because we like it.

Native 1080P power equals the ability to power a higher frame-rate when necessary. You can feel frame-rate difference. Native 1080P means when 4K TVs come out, you'll be able to decently upscale to fit their resolution. Native 1080P means you're actually having next-generation performance. I could get 720P unscaled in 2007. And it appears with most games, that's all the Xbox One will be able to do if you want 60FPS, based on the majority of the games released for it so far. (IE: Not Forza).

That's really a moot point because Xbox One currently has more than twice the exclusives that PS4 has. I mean if we're going by quantity alone, PS4's launch line-up was a failure then. If not for the 3rd party publishers, PS4 would have only had like 4 or 5 games to play!!!

(Also I'm done derailing this topic, I've already proved my points. >:] Hope you have FUN! Bye bye) xD

Marathon, not a sprint. It's foolish to buy a console based on launch games alone, because they'll likely be some of the worst of the generation.

Also, your statement specifically naming publishers, is telling half the story. I could just as easily say if not for third party developers, the Xbox One would have less than the PS4.

Xbox Fitness.
And Forza 5.

All the others were developed by a third party.

On PS4

Playroom
Knack
KillZone: Shadow Fall

That means PS4 actually had more First Party developed titles as launch titles. But, as you're supporting Xbox, you have no real right to talk about First-Party developed exclusive games.

 

[Ishimaru Jinrai]

PS4 day 1 Exclusives -

Octodad
Knack
Killzone Shadow Fall
A bunch of other indie-game tier PC ports.

Xbox One day 1 Exclusives -

Crimsons Dragon
Dead Rising 3
Kinect Racing
Killer Instinct
LocoCycle
Forza Five
Xbox Fitness
Fighter Within
Ryse: Sons of Rome
Power Star Golf

All that PS4 has on the 2014 horizon that looks great is Order 1886, and Infamous: Second Son (which both don't feature online modes.)

Looking at this list comparatively, even a Sony-Pony will admit, XB1 just has more games. And speculations about "Well it's just the beginning of this gen!" is irrelevant, because owning a console ultimately comes down to the "games". If I could only play Titan Fall on PS4, then I'd probably buy a PS4.

Either way, I bought a PS3 recently, I even own a Wii-U, but my main point is I see no purpose until 2015 to even own a PS4, it has virtually no console exclusives worth playing yet... And the whole statement about native resolution, which looks virtually identical on a 1080p TV, is a pretty moot point. It's more or less just a scape-goat bragging point. Even thought HD 1080p XB1 videos look identical to HD 1080p PS4 videos, because no games are 4K TV compatible.

It's also actually been proven the Xbox One has quicker load times for some games over the PS4. Because their RAM is basically identical, all this boasting talk about "PS4 is more powerful!" is just a myth by Sony fans, it's non-factual. >:PP
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-test-to-decide-which-console-is-faster-video

 

[AKNova7]

PS4 day 1 Exclusives -

Snip: Inaccurate list of exclusives.
All that PS4 has on the 2014 horizon that looks great is Order 1886, and Infamous: Second Son (which both don't feature online modes.)

So, now not having online in games in a knock? Interesting. Also, DriveClub (though delayed) looks every bit like the trademark racer it was intended to be on PS4.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1a406t_driveclub-assets_videogames

Looking at this list comparatively, even a Sony-Pony will admit, XB1 just has more games. And speculations about "Well it's just the beginning of this gen!" is irrelevant, because owning a console ultimately comes down to the "games". If I could only play Titan Fall on PS4, then I'd probably buy a PS4.

Then since the PS4 is better at playing those games that they both have, wouldn't that mean that the PS4 is doing a better job of being a game system? 99% of the Xbox 360's catalog post 2010 was third party software. Seemed to still do well enough, right? You saying "Now now now!" Isn't going to be a good decision to someone who doesn't go out and splurge on all the consoles they possibly can, and only invests in one. Exclusives are all that matter you say, and yet you own an Xbox 360 and only bought a PS3 recently? You're just shifting your argument to fit the current Xbox One.

Even worse, your argument about what's upcoming doesn't even hold water.

http://www.ign.com/games/upcoming/xbox-one?sortBy=releaseDate&sortOrder=asc&filter=latest

http://www.ign.com/games/upcoming/ps4?sortBy=releaseDate&sortOrder=asc&filter=latest

Take note of how the PS4 upcoming game list is, I don't know, about half a page longer than the one for Xbox One. Then realize the Japanese titles for PS4 aren't even included. Add in the fact that Japanese developers are dropping the Xbox 360 left and right, and you start to see what the problem is here for people who actually want to play those types of games. Especially fighting game players.

Either way, I bought a PS3 recently, I even own a Wii-U, but my main point is I see no purpose until 2015 to even own a PS4, it has virtually no console exclusives worth playing yet...

People who own all the consoles are not the majority. People who also don't care about whether games like Dynasty Warriors 8 looks like an ugly field of block textures like on last gen or has Final Fantasy like colors like on PS4 are also not the majority; people will notice the difference. Most console players don't have gaming PCs either.

If you're trying to own one console, and one console alone, overall, the PS4 is the clear winner because not only does it play muti-platform games better, but they're working on a solution to the backwards-compatibility issue. Also, it's getting many superior versions of games released on other consoles. It's getting access to the PC library. It's getting support from franchises that are normally only touching PC. It's already releasing games for free, even on next gen. It doesn't require you to buy a $99+ headset for game audio. It's less intrusive, smaller, and actually has a battery pack in the controller, which, by the way, "is so last generation." and Xbox One still hasn't done it yet.

That's also why it's currently winning in sales.

It's also actually been proven the Xbox One has quicker load times for some games over the PS4. Because their RAM is basically identical, all this boasting talk about "PS4 is more powerful!" is just a myth by Sony fans, it's non-factual. >:PP
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...-test-to-decide-which-console-is-faster-video

You might be decent at making an argument when it comes to semantics, but when it comes to anything technical, you seem severely underpowered at your arguments. RAM has nothing to do with the power of a system, only with how much that power is allowed to manipulate in one time. In essence, working memory.

Second, that "test" they did is invalid, and flawed. They curved the test by preinstalling the game on the PS4 Xbox One. Here's a more correct video, though in this one, the updates are pre-installed. (Obviously...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZizACLqH3U

Also, the PS4 uses a cache system, meaning it was playing off-disc vs the Xbox One playing off-HD in your video that you posted. Would you like to see the real version? You know, for like real world average internet speed scenarios? Including updates?

http://kotaku.com/installing-xbox-one-games-takes-way-too-long-1471191836

So, clearly, the Xbox One does not have the advantage in a single thing in terms of power, don't curve tests please. Thanks.

 

[CappuccinoJak]

fuck both of 'em. there's nothing coming out for either console that makes me want one. i was pretty hype for KI, but i'm not buying a console for just a single game....even if the game is "free".

 

[Ishimaru Jinrai]

Take note of how the PS4 upcoming game list is, I don't know, about half a page longer than the one for Xbox One. Then realize the Japanese titles for PS4 aren't even included. Add in the fact that Japanese developers are dropping the Xbox 360 left and right, and you start to see what the problem is here for people who actually want to play those types of games. Especially fighting game players.

So now we're supposed to care that we don't get Japanese RPGs that sell less than 50,000 on PS3, and that they'll be PS4 exclusive? LOL WHOOOAAA!!!! Sounds like a big step up to me! (Sarcasm).

People who own all the consoles are not the majority. People who also don't care about whether games like Dynasty Warriors 8 looks like an ugly field of block textures like on last gen or has Final Fantasy like colors like on PS4 are also not the majority; people will notice the difference. Most console players don't have gaming PCs either.

Again, if you want to boast so much about RAM and load times, PS4 and XB1 are basically identical. It's already been proven through many studies and comparisons.

And if you cared that much about graphics, graphics, graphics... then f*** PS4 and XB1 and go drop $1,500 on a fully loaded gaming PC and stop complaining.

That's also why it's currently winning in sales.

Is that why Sony is 1.1 billion dollars in the negative this year and Microsoft got 22 billion in profit? I'm so glad their consoles are selling better by a small margin. I'm sure Sony's epic PS4 sales might actually make them a profit this next fiscal year.

RAM has nothing to do with the power of a system, only with how much that power is allowed to manipulate in one time. In essence, working memory.

Do you even understand how consoles or PCs work?

Faster RAM - More RAM -
Bigger CPU - Faster CPU processing speed -
More CPU cores -

Second, that "test" they did is invalid, and flawed.

You can refute evidence you want all day, but the processing still remains even, or relatively the same.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xb...-fairly-marginal-microsoft-says/1100-6417138/

http://www.ign.com/games/upcoming/xbox-one?sortBy=releaseDate&sortOrder=asc&filter=latest

http://www.ign.com/games/upcoming/ps4?sortBy=releaseDate&sortOrder=asc&filter=latest

Take note of how the PS4 upcoming game list is, I don't know, about half a page longer than the one for Xbox One.

LOL!! Both launch lists are relatively the same! What, are you going to say XB1 has 25 2014 release titles, and PS4 has 27 2014 release titles as anything to brag about? Lol, well in that case, my previous quote of the day 1 launch titles, PS4 was a complete failure. Since XB1 (as of now) has twice as many games as PS4. I'm glad you're referencing the future to compensate for the present disadvantage.... That's a sad attempt to argue.

Lastly, the Xbox One has gotten more positive reviews then the Sony PS4 on Amazon.com. As well, PS4's launch was plagued with technical issues (Blue Light of Death) and faulty firmware.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2014/01/21/serious-ps4-error-corrupts-saves-may-brick-your-system

Let's hope they don't get their servers hacked again in 2014. >:]

 

[Ishimaru Jinrai]

Lastly, Xbox One will have External hard drives.

PS4 won't. But good luck using a screw driver on it, and sucks to be people who want to edit / mod characters in games. xD

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/30/ps4-does-not-support-external-hard-drives

 

[Mage]

This sad little butthurt Microsoft vs Sony argument is boring me now.