Future online tourney ideas.

I really don't want to try to nail down 16-32 matches a week. Hard enough to pin people down for one friggin' match a week.

We can discuss it until we can find a more agreeable format. Multiple matches per week is nice for those with more time to spend on the game, but a major hassle on those that don't. Then again, we have pretty much limitless options for how we could approach a seasonal round robin format. We could have set schedules for each player every week, it could just be pure anarchy with the only schedule being to finish all your matches before the end of the season, we could look for a golden mean, or just about anything between those options. We're not limited to just one format forever, why not really take advantage of it and make for a more enjoyable experience?
 
I think these online tournies are more about attracting people to the game rather than be a testament of anyones skill. So therefore keeping it simple is best at the moment. Youre thinking way to hard about all this.

As for the rules, I personally think it BEST to leave the rules up to 8wr standards. If these kids get a taste for the tourney life and wanna persue that, then they now have a hurdle to jump through. Rather it be a small hurdle or not is irrelavant.

I dont know why your pushing this so hard. Lets get through the first tourny and see how it went. Asses what went wrong and how to improve at that point. Quit trying to "re-invent the wheel" and let this thing fail first. If things fail lets fix them. If they dont.....LEAVE EM ALONE!!
 
Ladders result in minimal activity at the rop rung and chaos at the bottom, having the top rung constantly battling each other and becoming far too accustomed to the same players to make things really that interesting. There's really no benefit to using a ladder system beyond allowing the top few to constantly stroke their egos and grow complacent. Everyone loses.

The current double elim format has strengths and weaknesses of both extremes. Dissatisfying to me personally, though it can suffice.

Round robin is a metric fuckton of matches with more opportunities for things to go awry and more healthily promoting competition between everyone involved. It's more trouble organizing more matches with more people and also provides a more...accurate picture of who's really the best(online tourney blahblahblah) and all while also giving everyone just as much a chance to play more matches against a wider variety of opponents. More difficulty, more payoff basically.


None of this is reinventing the wheel nor theory. These formats have been used before and this is basically what happens the overwhelming majority of the tiem with the two extremes.



HRD said:
I think these online tournies are more about attracting people to the game rather than be a testament of anyones skill. So therefore keeping it simple is best at the moment. Youre thinking way to hard about all this.

As for the rules, I personally think it BEST to leave the rules up to 8wr standards.

Nah nah nah. DJ's presence won't attract anyone to a tourney nor will his offline tourney legality really make a difference contrariwise. Anyone that would main DJ and refuse to play as anyone else in a fit of RAEG wouldn't be able to handle a loss from real competition anyways and everyone's better off without that. DJ being legal as a preset in an online tourney just means that there's one more moveset to contend with and overcome.

C'mon. Name one good reason not to allow a preset DJ CAS in our online-tourney-that-isn't-serious-enough-to-worry-about-yet-should-still-go-by-the-book-because-it's-so-serious. Really, we can only benefit from it.
 
Round Robins sound like a complete nightmare in terms of organazation and getting people to play thier damn matches. ATM people are still finishing up the 1st week. It would take waaaaaaayyy to long to finish a tourney, when you have other poeple anxious to get into one.
Well there's always the option to DQ them. That's what I'd do.
 
If it were just the simple issue of making a standard Devil Jin CaS with everything set to default and dressed in the Pirate/Ninja/Samurai/whatever preset, why haven't the offline TO's done it? That's not rhetorical. I honestly don't know. I can't believe it's just that they're too lazy.

I haven't seen anyone really complaining about it either.

As for the tournament format, I'm still waiting to see how this one turns out. From my limited experience with online tourneys at the squalid pit of MKO, people are all gung ho to play at the beginning, then interest dies off later on. Same thing happened with the ladder matches. 8wayrunners are a more serious group though, and so far things are going smoothly. If they continue to through the end, I'll entertain the notion of adding a second tourney. No promises though.
 
Well there's always the option to DQ them. That's what I'd do.

Either that or keep the double elim tourney and make the top 3 in each tourney automatcally start in losers in the next tourney if they choose to play. That will keep fresh tournies happening allowing those that have been waiting for weeks to get a chance to play faster rather than have to wait weeks to get a chance
 
If it were just the simple issue of making a standard Devil Jin CaS with everything set to default and dressed in the Pirate/Ninja/Samurai/whatever preset, why haven't the offline TO's done it? That's not rhetorical. I honestly don't know. I can't believe it's just that they're too lazy.
Mostly because would be far too time consuming to make sure every setup in the venue has the proper CaS formula. Most tournaments have console setups that are brought by attendees themselves because organizers simply can't provide enough on their own, and each of those setups would have to be checked to make sure that they have a DJ that's tournament legal.

Not to mention that after checking every single setup (which *would* add a ton of prep time for organizers) there are other issues to consider. What if you discover that one console's CaS is slightly off half-way through the tournament? AFAIK you can't go back and check/change a CaS height once you've saved it, so basically you'd have to either eyeball pre-made CaS or create them at the venue before the tournament starts, which would cause huge delays.

Even small local tourneys organized by experienced people take a long time to set up without having to deal with CaS. It's better to just ban them outright than create a whole new set of regulations that are particularly susceptible to abuse just to use one character.

As for online tourneys allowing CaS, well, I guess that would be up to whoever decides to run/organize things. But given that you can't check people's CaS online in the way you can offline, I'm pretty skeptical that everyone would adhere to the 'standard', whatever it ends up being. Personally I wouldn't be confident in looking at a CaS and saying "Oh, that one's DEFINITELY not the default size/build." I'm not sure anyone would be able to do that. And then, what if someone using DJ *is* accused of not using the default settings? Again, I'm not sure there's a way to check that fairly.
 
Mostly because would be far too time consuming to make sure every setup in the venue has the proper CaS formula. Most tournaments have console setups that are brought by attendees themselves because organizers simply can't provide enough on their own, and each of those setups would have to be checked to make sure that they have a DJ that's tournament legal.

Not to mention that after checking every single setup (which *would* add a ton of prep time for organizers) there are other issues to consider. What if you discover that one console's CaS is slightly off half-way through the tournament? AFAIK you can't go back and check/change a CaS height once you've saved it, so basically you'd have to either eyeball pre-made CaS or create them at the venue before the tournament starts, which would cause huge delays.

Even small local tourneys organized by experienced people take a long time to set up without having to deal with CaS. It's better to just ban them outright than create a whole new set of regulations that are particularly susceptible to abuse just to use one character.

As for online tourneys allowing CaS, well, I guess that would be up to whoever decides to run/organize things. But given that you can't check people's CaS online in the way you can offline, I'm pretty skeptical that everyone would adhere to the 'standard', whatever it ends up being. Personally I wouldn't be confident in looking at a CaS and saying "Oh, that one's DEFINITELY not the default size/build." I'm not sure anyone would be able to do that. And then, what if someone using DJ *is* accused of not using the default settings? Again, I'm not sure there's a way to check that fairly.
It's not like the organizers or attendees can't arrive early or anything. That'd just be wayyy too much to ask for. But I understand what you're saying. Plus a lot people hate DJ's style anyway lol.
 
Another issue with DJ in offline tourneys is that most are done on PS3s AFAIK and the SCV save file on PS3 is also profile locked. This is very very easily avoidable on 360(rehashing/resigning tools are very easy to come by and cost literally nothing). I'm completely ignorant of the widespread availability of similar tools for PS3, so I'll assume any such tools that exist aren't as easily available. Yeahyeahyeah, these kinds of things violate your TOUs and your EULAs and all, but they're so easy to use it's your own fault if you mess something like that up.

As for the potential of allegations of a hypothetical legalized DJ CAS, replays would be good enough. The difference in heights isn't massive, but it's visible enough with a keen eye if you know how your character is compared to DJ CAS. That's not an option? Then any allgeations of illegal proportions could easily be dis/proven with a replay screenshot of both characters at neutral and a second screenshot of the legal DJ CAS at neutral next to the same character would be simple proof---no more difficult to prove or disprove than any other allegations of someone doing something illegal. Then DQ the guilty party for the match and give the innocent party a perfect score. If some jerkbag decided to make false allegations or actually try and cheat, they deserve losing the set at the absolute minimum, I believe.
 
I agree with allowing devil jin in tourneys. Yes you read that right, and my Angry side is about to emerge if i read one more goddamned "WAHH DEBUL JEEEN IZ BROKUN" comment.
My fucking god... Anyway devil jin should be allowed, dont give me that "HES CAS SO HES BANNED" bullshit, just using the default ninja outfit with default size only takes like 2 fucking minutes to make, get off your goddamn lazy ass.
Im actually against the idea of banning any character in any fighting game tourney because thats basically saying "Hahaha fucker go get fucked" to the people that play that character
Actually why not just allow cas in online tourneys anyway? Why is CaS banned in online tourneys? I get why they are banned in offline tourneys but why on online tourneys?
 
I agree with allowing devil jin in tourneys. Yes you read that right, and my Angry side is about to emerge if i read one more goddamned "WAHH DEBUL JEEEN IZ BROKUN" comment.
My fucking god... Anyway devil jin should be allowed, dont give me that "HES CAS SO HES BANNED" bullshit, just using the default ninja outfit with default size only takes like 2 fucking minutes to make, get off your goddamn lazy ass.
Im actually against the idea of banning any character in any fighting game tourney because thats basically saying "Hahaha fucker go get fucked" to the people that play that character
Actually why not just allow cas in online tourneys anyway? Why is CaS banned in online tourneys? I get why they are banned in offline tourneys but why on online tourneys?

Im gonna try and speak on your level. Lemme get down there for you..........

CaS if FUCKIN banned in offline FUCKIN tournies for the same reason. Basically there is no FUCKIN regulation on size and things of the FUCKIN nature.

If you were a FUCKIN tourny organizer. And you had to set up 50 PS3 FUCKIN consoles. Youd be there all FUCKIN day seting up FUCKIN consoles.

In an online FUCKIN tourney. I have no way of knowing if my opponent has the correct FUCKIN specs for his DJ. I cant physically FUCKIN check to see if hes cheating or not.

So now. Shut THE FUCK UP. and READ THE WHOLE THREAD, before you come in here lookin like dumbass pompus FUCKIN retard!!
 
Ok first off piss the fuck off, all i did ask a question, no need to act like a dick
Secondly there i already fucking said in that same goddamn post i knew why it was banned offline
And there is a regulation of size for each cas style, when your selecting a height, it puts a star on the default height for that cas moveset, which will be the same size as the default character that had that moveset
The correct size for devil jin is height 3. You can tell if its the right size if you just observe your opponents character, if you cant tell if its the right size, then your a dumbass.
Now Shut the fuck up And QUIT ACTING LIKE A DICK WHENEVER SOMEONE JUST ASKS A SIMPLE QUESTION
Jesus fucking christ people
 
Ok first off piss the fuck off, all i did ask a question, no need to act like a dick
Secondly there i already fucking said in that same goddamn post i knew why it was banned offline
And there is a regulation of size for each cas style, when your selecting a height, it puts a star on the default height for that cas moveset, which will be the same size as the default character that had that moveset
The correct size for devil jin is height 3. You can tell if its the right size if you just observe your opponents character, if you cant tell if its the right size, then your a dumbass.
Now Shut the fuck up And QUIT ACTING LIKE A DICK WHENEVER SOMEONE JUST ASKS A SIMPLE QUESTION
Jesus fucking christ people

Its fuckin idiots like you that are ruining this community. Youve been here not even a week and are spouting off like an idiot. Why dont you talk like a FUCKIN HUMAN BEING, rather than some hard ass internet thug.

ohhh youre such a tough guy!!


BEAT IT!!
 
Im gonna try and speak on your level. Lemme get down there for you..........

CaS if FUCKIN banned in offline FUCKIN tournies for the same reason. Basically there is no FUCKIN regulation on size and things of the FUCKIN nature.

If you were a FUCKIN tourny organizer. And you had to set up 50 PS3 FUCKIN consoles. Youd be there all FUCKIN day seting up FUCKIN consoles.

In an online FUCKIN tourney. I have no way of knowing if my opponent has the correct FUCKIN specs for his DJ. I cant physically FUCKIN check to see if hes cheating or not.

So now. Shut THE FUCK UP. and READ THE WHOLE THREAD, before you come in here lookin like dumbass pompus FUCKIN retard!!

Dave, bestill my heart. You may loathe me at times, but tell me this doesn't smack of the very things you used to yell at me for. Best Actor Oscar goes to.. HRD!
 
Its fuckin idiots like you that are ruining this community. Youve been here not even a week and are spouting off like an idiot. Why dont you talk like a FUCKIN HUMAN BEING, rather than some hard ass internet thug.

ohhh youre such a tough guy!!


BEAT IT!!
Wow that was well thought out description of yourself.
So im the dickhead here eh? All i do is ask a fucking question and you come at me all pissy and then you have the goddamn balls to call me the thug.
You know what, fuck off, if its a thug you fucking want its a thug your gonna fucking get dick
 
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