Help vote to get SC4 consideration for CGS '09!!

I know rite? Nothing looks as masterful as DoA combos, where there is like no collision detection, and the combos are like PPP6PPKPP6K,P+K w! K2K!!!! I also love the fact that a jab can stop a mind flying body press, because it's high....great stuff! Throw breaking is so good too!


wowowowowow!
 
lolz..
these guys are gonna back what they play regardless of any points made about how much DOA = shit..
and someone stated that mortal kombat has a bigger fan base?? does it really most of them are like 12 yr old kids
thing about doa i've watched udder noobs pick up this game and fly through characters command list on like 1 try
ppl who have never played that shitty game b4....but have played other fighters games easier to pick up and play complexity belle is proof of that although i doubt shes ever played anything outside of doa

chacha you own though i had to quote you
 
Marginal said:
When I mentioned that on CF, Dr Dogg wanted videos of 7-10 hit combos in tourney conditions or else none of those combos apparently exist.
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While they aren't the from the newest tournament, you can show him me vs Brian Hates in the losers finals. Plenty of combos with Hilde vs Cervy in play. Long combos do hit in tournament play, and I'm sure there are other people who could easily post up matches showing this as well.

 
I linked DrD several videos in the CF thread. He never responded in the thread after that. (Largely because the thread was moved.)

I was surprised to see him expecting to place top 4 in SC4 tourneys when he didn't know the game mechanics tho.
 
Angrel-San said:
Just show him Cassandra's EWGF full combo and Yoshimitsu's combos with JF 4 spins and call it a day.

Hell, you could use Algol.

Syxx has some combo videos too. Maybe they can come in handy.
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That when I coem in. And viz plz do it to them man. I know it not the right thing, but it the internet my friend. Who is stopping you from letting out some fire? But it your pick man. I'm not going to hype you up to do it my friend.
 
Marginal said:
I was surprised to see him expecting to place top 4 in SC4 tourneys when he didn't know the game mechanics tho.
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He got all upset at me over some online play shit, too. Complaining about using Algol and lag tactics, I was like yooooo offline play and he was all no u!!!!!!

But whatever, this decision won't come down to which game is better, it'll be a marketing decision. Everyone outside their own community (and even some within said community) know DOA is garbage compared to other competitive fighters, but that doesn't mean CGS won't continue running it.
 
i really like both doa and, sc4 but, they should give a new game a try.We see already that the pros are really great at doa . Besides most of the pros are just all cocky over that one game and a few of them hesitates to try another but, hopefully this time they put sc4 in because its really fun and i think gammers that play doa should explore soul calibur4.I dont know why they think soul calibur 4 is a button masher where you have characters in doa you can button mash as well ex: eliot, kasumi. Btw they both have great combos but you can easily stun/generate a combo's in doa
 
Actually, most DOA players were sick of DOA and now play and like SC. Ask around. The funny thing is, most people that played DOA would never bash SC because they know it's good, and several of them would bash their own game because they know the problems in it. Hell, 99% of the community except for like Master thinks the exact same way. All the CGS people are playing SC4 except for him, because they know it has a great chance of getting in. I'm pretty sure I see Offbeat, NinjaCW, Perfect Legend, Dave Cheppelle, and Black Mamba playing SC4 all the time. As well as most of the other people that placed in tournaments, are now playing it. So seriously guys, stop talking like we'll mercilessly defend a game we play, and stop talking like it's the worst shit in the world. We know more than anyone that it has problems. That being said, I'll take on a few misconceptions and defend the game a bit.

Throw breaking is so good too!
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DOA doesn't exactly need throw breaks because throws mean something completely different. Attacks beat out throws 100% of the time, unless the throw is in a guaranteed situation (throwing against a hold, throwing after an unsafe attack). As well, attacks beat out throws for 150% damage, meaning if you launch vs a throw, it's going to do insane damage. Because it's so punishable, throws are fast and unbreakable. It makes sense in its own right, really.

PPP6PPKPP6K,P+K w! K2K!!!!
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That's another thing. If they're not in the air, none of that is guaranteed. It can be shaken or countered, and thus stuns aren't really considered combos but mixups into combos. The most efficient thing to do is to stun>launch or CH launch, since holds do damage. Risking less holds and mixing it up appropriately can result in a good guarantee afterwards. If you're talking about strings, a safe string is rare as hell, and most are pretty easily held. 99% of strings you can just block and punish afterwards easily. As well, most strings do not have sweeps in them, unless you're hitomi or kasumi. Therefore, you don't have a lot to worry about with strings themselves, if they're just going high and mid mostly. Juggles aren't hard to do, but the only way you can get a bunch of hits in is if you guess vs holds 3 times instun, most people won't risk that. It's some of the guaranteed damage in the game, and people have to take what they can get. There's no air control, because people can already hold out of stuns. It would be ridiculous in DOA's system for juggles to not be guaranteed.

Dumbest shit I ever heard was DOA has a longer following then SC ? Jesus the only time people ever really even got into DOA was in part 4... other than that its been underground joke bullshit game...
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Actually, the Japanese version of DOA3 (3.1) is easily the best DOA game. Guaranteed damage, a bit of a good stepping system, falls kill, guaranteed ground grabs, huge punishment, some things that have adv on block, wall stun is guaranteed, weaker holds, etc...

Universal Holds that do damage, with a large window
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Most people's main complaint, and for the most part it can be a real problem. There are some things you still have to take into account when discussing holds though. First, there are 3-4 options (since low can cover highs). Second, the amount of damage is based on the part of the window you held the move (150% for 1-4, 125% for 5-12, 100% for 13-22). There's also the fact that the hold is out there for 30 frames, and thus you have quite a good amount of time to throw them for 150% damage yourself. This damage is not based on a window, if the opponent holds and you throw, it's automatically 150%. Third, attacking less, or varying the timing (let's say at a range) can screw with the timing of the hold. Most people have a pattern for their holds or do it for a reason, but in a tournament setting it becomes difficult to clue in on it fast enough. I don't know any people that truly did it randomly and came out on top. All that being said, it's still too long of a window for too much damage, heh.

Guessing wah!
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A lot of fighting games have guessing elements. Forcing people into 50/50's (between a mid and a low at advantage, or just breaking throws in general). Guessing that somebody will do a linear move and banking on it with the correct stepping. Guessing that somebody will do a high and high crushing them. The thing is that DOA makes attacking period too risky, and people don't like that, as well, most things do a lot of damage if you're right. That being said, DOA still has the usual ranged game, launches, crushes, safe/unsafe/punishment, etc... it just does things a bit differently that won't sit well with some people. It doesn't have a sidestepping system because it already has an option-based secondary defense in its holds. Although, stepping can help you avoid or hit somebody off a cliff, wall, or other environmental obstacle.

button mashing!!
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No fighting game allows mashing. In DOA you'll get blocked and throw punished or CH launched easily, especially since the good player is already using faster moves than your opponent because the good player knows frame data. In SC you'll get stepped, tech trapped, frame trapped, ring outted, and simply beat out by faster moves because the good player knows frame data. Either way, intermediate vs masher will usually result in a 50-0 or more in any fighter. In DOA, intermediates still pose a threat vs high level because of the way holds work, which is why people have problems with the game. However, if you look at results, there has been a good bit of consistency with DOA4 tournaments. Mamba, PL, Offbeat and Master always get top 3. Offbeat and Master both had CGS seasons with only one loss. There was a girl in CGS that got one win in two seasons and lost every other one.

DOA4 is more entertaining and has a bigger fanbase
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Everybody knows this is bullshit, especially people that play DOA. SC4 can bring in 100+. DOA4 at its "height" was like 40 people. Except for Evo that got like 70 because of people that entered and thought they could win without knowing the game, but the top 8 still ended up being actual DOA players. Anyways, DOA4 is getting less popular by the second, and was never popular to begin with. The leader of team ninja left and it's unsure whether there will even be a DOA5. People are trying out new things because of this. Also, DOA only got into CGS because it was the only 360 fighter out, and VF5 while better seems boring to some people. Now that there's another popular 360 fighter, I doubt that will last into the next year. CGS picks games on how much ratings they'll get by showing it, which is why SC4 is probable.

However, the people that have barely played the game and write it off without really knowing much about the system, back off. Seriously, that's just bad as people that go (OMG SEX APPEAL) and don't take a game seriously because of that. Every fighting game has girls with large breasts now, literally. There are problems with DOA4, I'll agree with that. SC4 is better for a number of reasons, I'll agree with that. But saying DOA is shit with barely playing it? That's just really stupid.

tl;dr DOA4 has good points, is an alright game with some problems, SC4 is awesome and its numbers/popularity shows. DOA3.1 is still awesome.

CGS has been sketchy with some of their drafts. But both times they did end up drafting the top 3 male placers at the combine tournament. I wouldn't worry about it.

I voted for SC4, btw.
 
Just to touch on "guessing wah!" NO fighting game has as many blatant 50/50 situations with no way out but to guess than DOA, the system is practically built on it, and any time you land an attack (especially early on, nobody's even touched on DOA's absurd stun shaking system yet) it's an automatic 50/50. This simply doesn't happen as frequently or as easily in other fighters, and it's the reason we see a lot of this "he/she is only good at DOA!" stuff going on.

Other fighters have functioning movement systems and throw breaks that can be executed while guarding high and mid that minimize the threat of constantly being in a 50/50 situation every time a move is done. Not so in DOA.
 
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