Hilde Ban Discussion

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Artilust said:
Not doing one combo in tournament play wont kill you. People keep dancing around the issue bringing up SC3 like thats a valid response. Soul Calibur 3 didnt survive 6 months and for good reason.


If the move wasnt so controversial this thread wouldnt have over 200 replies.


A lot of you dont have a problem because youre already shitty at calibur ANYHOW because ive played a lot of you on PSN! Thats the real clincher. Of course YOU wouldnt have a problem with it.
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Do you consider me shitty as I have played you, and I think talk of banning Hilde or her combos is ridiculous.
 
I dont think youre shitty, but I think Im a better player than you. Its neither here nor there.

I think Im forgetting that the 3d gaming community is completely different than the 2d crowd. Its unfortunate that the last couple installments of Soul Calibur have been filled with inconsistencies but theres just no need for it and theres no convincing someone logical of it otherwise.


The reward for landing a safe mid launcher into a full screen ringout grants no risk. We arent perfect so theres a good chance at some point it could hit. This negates the idea of the "better player" or the "more skilled player" winning.

Whats more is there to say?
 
Artilust said:
I dont think youre shitty, but I think Im a better player than you. Its neither here nor there.

I think Im forgetting that the 3d gaming community is completely different than the 2d crowd. Its unfortunate that the last couple installments of Soul Calibur have been filled with inconsistencies but theres just no need for it and theres no convincing someone logical of it otherwise.


The reward for landing a safe mid launcher into a full screen ringout grants no risk. We arent perfect so theres a good chance at some point it could hit. This negates the idea of the "better player" or the "more skilled player" winning.

Whats more is there to say?
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That is a bold thing to say, but let's not discuss that here.

You whine about that RO, but alot of characters have combos that can carry pretty far such as Cassandra's 23:6B and Yoshi's 44bB to a:B+K. Instead of whining why don't you just adapt to it. If you actually picked up Hilde you might be surprised that she isn't even remotely easy to use especially now that button binding with her is banned.
 
Just because it takes a certain amount of skill to pull off doesnt mean using it still doesnt make you a crappy player for doing it.

The examples you name still arent anywhere near as ridiculous as A RING OUT FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE STAGE.

This mentality of "win however you can" is only going to set you up for failure. I really suggest the bulk of this community to solely stick to Calibur.
 
Artilust said:
Just because it takes a certain amount of skill to pull off doesnt mean using it still doesnt make you a crappy player for doing it.

The examples you name still arent anywhere near as ridiculous as A RING OUT FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE STAGE.

This mentality of "win however you can" is only going to set you up for failure. I really suggest the bulk of this community to solely stick to Calibur.
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That yoshi move can RO from the middle of the stage if a person can pull off 44bB fast enough after a launch, and Cassandra's 23:6B combo can also RO from the middle of alot of stages. Maybe you should look into them so you can make topics to whine about them also.
 
Maybe you need to reassert your claims, Hilde has the farther from the edge potential to ringout.


You feeling some type of way over there.
 
Artilust said:
Maybe you need to reassert your claims, Hilde has the farther from the edge potential to ringout.


You feeling some type of way over there.
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I'm simply giving you other moves that can RO from a great distance since you are whining about it so much. You should really learn to adapt instead of whining, because as soon as the masses ban it you will just find something else that you decide is unbeatable and the band wagon will roll on. Really look at how much is banned, and as soon as Algol got banned Hilde's name was brought up. So Artilust who will be the next candidate after we ban Hilde? Amy? Voldo? How about the Apprentice since he has the oh so unfair A+B throw break which is the easy button for escaping throws.
 
no character even comes close to hilde's RO range, so people need to stop comparing other characters "RO" combos

she DOES need a little nerfing, just make it so you cn block C2B after 44K

even with a nerf like this she still would have a good RO game
 
Artilust said:
A lot of you dont have a problem because youre already shitty at calibur ANYHOW because ive played a lot of you on PSN! Thats the real clincher. Of course YOU wouldnt have a problem with it.
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i really hope that wasn't directly towards me. Because you're wrong on 2 things...

1. i don't play online, i don't like the lag that exists for SC.

2. It's nice to think that i'm a shitty player when you've nvr played me bro.

Think what you want, idc. SC3 was dead because of OBVIOUS things...but who cares, there was a tournament, i'd try to be there the best way i can.

And yes, noone realy doesn't to compare other character's RO distance. instead, we would like to compare RO options that hilde has or lacks from the other characters.

Doom: Hilde's binding is banned?!?! LOL no way....makes me want to play hilde players more...i'd give more respect for that alone!!!!

anywho art....it's simple. belive what you want, she's not getting banned...so stop trying to justify yourself...
 
Its amusing that you typed all that considering I MIGHT have been speaking to you, which I wasnt. So you typed it in vain.


Someone bitter changed the topic title. It was originally named "Hilde Full Screen RO = Banned?"


Nobody EVER insisted that the character be banned. Just cheap tactics in high level gameplay.
 
.it's simple. belive what you want, she's not getting banned...so stop trying to justify yourself

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wow chicken wing..!!!! this pretty much sums up this debate... honestly.... she is not

getting banned.... i don't see that happening through out sc4 life long carrer...

and most of the "good" players "the people who travel, help arrange tourneys, gatherings, help rep the

community" don't even have a problem with this.. i beleive it's the "bad" players.. the people who "only play online" that have a problem with this... and i dont' see the online "only" players determining the final decision of this topic....seriously....but hey .. there are some people for some reason that want to keep talking about this topic...(beats me why honestly)... but hey since this is america and you can do what ever you want... than keep talking......^_^b


and to the guy above..... i dton' see that move as a :cheep tactics....honestly how can you?....a cheep tatics is a yoshi player who is up 2 and 0 on you and than just suicides you to make it a draw and wins the match...(SEE THE DIFFERENCE?)...at least with hildie i can just stand up blocking (step guarding)....do deal with it... LOL..??? WOW?...




just god damm WOW!!!







(but seriously.... you people..."you can't honestly see how pointless this thread is?" seriously? )
 
Artilust said:
Its amusing that you typed all that considering I MIGHT have been speaking to you, which I wasnt. So you typed it in vain.
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Art, it's not really that i typed it in vain...it's just that i wanted to make sure that i wasn't directed towards me, that's all. So cool your ego son. Seriously.

anywho...lol @ STD. love the comments bro, they're not as legendary as GK's...but i'll give the props yo :) but hey...leave them online players alone man....they're too good for us... LOL
 
Art I love everything you post I swear. Trash talkin' about player skill. You da man dawg.

All the elitist comments in this thread aside, for the sake of balance Hilde would need a change. I suggest C3A not having an aGI (general balance) and reduced pushback on 44K (doom combo balance). I don't support banning her in any form and I enjoy fighting against her even if one mistake can mean death. I don't think Namdai counted on charges being as whoreable as they are since they're as good as they are. But if you want Tekken player defense play a good doom combo lovin' Hilde with binds.
 
So you want to ban "cheap tactics in high level gameplay"? Why don't we ban Kilik's big ass throw that rings out too? Seriously have you ever even gone to an offline tournament? There are no "Cheap tactics in high level play" this kind of thinking is only going to make you worse at the game.

"The reward for landing a safe mid launcher into a full screen ringout grants no risk. We arent perfect so theres a good chance at some point it could hit. This negates the idea of the "better player" or the "more skilled player" winning."

Here's an idea... no, no better yet a fact! "The Better or More skilled player" is going to step the "no risk" launcher to the left and punish it! OMG! Ex: Astaroth 22B, Amy 33B, Setsuka 33B, Sophitia 66B, Cervy igdr, and the list goes on. There IS a risk and a SKILLED PLAYER will punish anyone that over uses her charge moves. People are even starting to GI her charges on reaction *Kilik Asura*. It all comes down to the player - crappy players will bitch about how strong other characters are and good players will learn to adapt.

This is a fighting game for christs sake! Develop a counter strategy to defeat the combo. Use your mind! Have FUN!

PAY YO BILLS!

we need to close this thread...
 
There's no more discussion, there's just personal insults, attacks on people's skill, and a bunch of trolls.

Let's put this thing to bed. Please.

mikosu:

I think here aGIs on A charges are fine. I think C2 BB not launching during combo hits is the best answer. Here's why:
--C3 B, 44K, C2 BB would be the shortened "doom combo", and seems like nice small combo for a decent amount of damage off a great launcher.
--C3 B, B+K, C2 BB is a variation of the combo.
--C3 A, C2 BB would be a powerful range knockback, but nothing near the current C3 A, C2 BB, C2 AA.
--C2 BB, C2 AA would still work, because as long as C2 BB isn't part of a combo, it'll launch like it normally does, meaning her signature move (IMO it's this) will still work. You can also still do her C2 BB, 3B A stuff.
 
I had always felt bad when by one mistake I was instantly killed and there was nothing I can do. I must say though in no way should she be banned. Shes a perfectly legit character. Im just a little upset when I accidentally miss 1 single move and the next thing I know im all the way across the ring dead.
 
Artilust said:
Its amusing that you typed all that considering I MIGHT have been speaking to you, which I wasnt. So you typed it in vain.


Someone bitter changed the topic title. It was originally named "Hilde Full Screen RO = Banned?"


Nobody EVER insisted that the character be banned. Just cheap tactics in high level gameplay.
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Oh jesus christ, are you kidding me? All the high level players don't give a crap about this combo; they've known about it for a while now and have been learning to deal with her. So really, this thread comes down to CASUAL PLAYERS wanting to ban advanced tactics "in high level play." Casual "high level play."

WHAT? Do you even READ what you're typing anymore? I'm sorry, I try to stay away from personal attacks, but this is just ridiculous. Nothing is cheap, the word has no meaning in a tournament. If you're a casual player, you obviously don't want to bother learning advanced tactics, that's not grounds for a BAN. That's grounds for you levelling of your skill level as someone who doesn't want to continue getting better. I've started playing against bitch-ass Hildes myself, it's no longer me laying down the beating, and after a few matches, I can dodge the doom combo with ease (especially since I know when it's probably going to be used, as a fellow Hilde mainer.)
 
Nice reply Ignis. With great examples no less. I was actually thinking about C2BB not relaunching during the combo but it'd make the perfect timing for all the charges kind of a waste. So for the sake of aesthetics (lol) I think relaunching is fine. It's just the pushback that should change. I don't mind the doom combo itself. If they do patch it in the future I'll miss tormenting my opponents when I pick her.
 
I dont really care anymore, this community isnt taken serious as it is so whats my reasoning behind creating a unit of players who want the community to flourish? Probably somewhere over the edge lol. And I didnt personally insult anyone, someone with malice changed the topic title, and anyone who I said I am better than in Calibur. . I truly believe that. Didnt mean to offend anyone.


Remarkable that almost all the Hilde players think theres absolutely NOTHING about her that needs to be changed! This speaks for itself.
 
Artilust said:
I think Im forgetting that the 3d gaming community is completely different than the 2d crowd.
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Well thats the problem, unless we start thinking like the 2d crowd we will have these dumb arguments every new calibur that comes out. The problem with our way of banning is its based on opinion. Everyone from different regions play different styles and at different levels. It creates such a bias that everyone thinks they are right with completely different opinions on what should or should not be banned. This results with us arguing forever about balance issues and other stuff. It also makes us end up banning for really dumb reasons (was there ever an official reason we banned Algol). As a whole we need guidelines to why and what we should ban. Ones that except in very extreme cases make banning real easy like what 2d fighters do "ban game breaking glitches only".
 
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