iCS/CS and SS information

S0ULA55A51N said:
There's nothing wrong about your speed. But try doing it more slowly until you get the "flow" of the input. It does not have to be exactly 5 frames, that would be really phat and imo for humans not executeable. You're just not allowed to hold a directional input more than 5 frames.
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Ok, I'll take your advice. Just for the record, I can do CS with no problem, it's just iCS that's making me wrack my brain. I'm having a hard time comprehending that some of my inputs are being held for too long, especially when I'm executing CS so quickly.
 
BoontimeBust said:
Ok, I'll take your advice. Just for the record, I can do CS with no problem, it's just iCS that's making me wrack my brain. I'm having a hard time comprehending that some of my inputs are being held for too long, especially when I'm executing CS so quickly.
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It could be you're holding one of the directions on either the pad or analog too long...

Like when you're doing method A and you hold 2 on the analog, tap 8 twice on the pad, you might not slide to 4 fast enough... but one thing that might be happening there, is it sounds like you're getting:
282824666B+G... which should work if you do the inputs fast enough, but that might be where the holdup is coming from.


On a side note, I was playing online last night and managed to 'buffer' iCS while rolling around and actually got it to connect.
 
Jeeze, I got an iCS off in an online match without even trying!!! I can try for days in training mode, but I'll only get it randomly in a laggy game!!! Interesting. What's interesting to me also is that it seems like I'm doing the input slower than for regular CS, I swear. Every time I've gotten it, Ivy visibly steps in a small circle albeit quickly.
 
BoontimeBust said:
Jeeze, I got an iCS off in an online match without even trying!!! I can try for days in training mode, but I'll only get it randomly in a laggy game!!! Interesting. What's interesting to me also is that it seems like I'm doing the input slower than for regular CS, I swear. Every time I've gotten it, Ivy visibly steps in a small circle albeit quickly.
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That might be true. From my testing, you cannot buffer iCS. There's a 40 frame window for the entire input, plus you cannot be on one direction for at least 5 frames. It's fast but it's pathetic, especially for the damage. You better off doing CS; save your time.
 
BoontimeBust said:
Jeeze, I got an iCS off in an online match without even trying!!! I can try for days in training mode, but I'll only get it randomly in a laggy game!!! Interesting. What's interesting to me also is that it seems like I'm doing the input slower than for regular CS, I swear. Every time I've gotten it, Ivy visibly steps in a small circle albeit quickly.
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Just frame inputs are easier online. Part of the net code creates some laxness for the JF...
 
If I input the correct inputs at the correct speed for iCS, should Ivy visibly move forward thrice at the end of the command?
 
Funny story that Ivy players will appreciate: So I'm trying to get iCS down because I wanted to take up Ivy as my secondary, and I consider it essential in her gameplay. I can do CS with relative ease, but I have yet to pull off iCS a single time. And while I'm attempting this, my mom has the nerve to say "You're reading too much into this. Its not that difficult." Naturally, as I consider iCS the most difficult JF in the game, and her to be a total bitch, i'm slightly offended. So I respond with "Do you think you could do much better?" She takes the controller from me, and I leave the room for 15 minutes, expecting her to be frustrated and salty when I get back. Keep in mind this woman has no SC experience besides observation, and very little video game experience at all. Imagine my fucking surprise when I come to find she's consistently doing iCS on CONTROLLER, and smirking like Patroklos. And I'm just like:
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How the fuck do you do this shit?

Okay... the up down up down part has me going wtf. No matter how fast I tap up, then down, etc, all I get is fucking side stepping. So then I tried using two hands, one on the d-pad, the other on the analog stick, trying to get that up down shit faster, nope same shit. She just steps.

^It's like your mom said. I'm probably over thinking it. When I see other people doing CS/iCS, I don't see any side stepping first.

Is there some kind of secret trick that I don't know about?

I don't even care about getting iCS yet, all I want is to pull off ONE GOD DAMNED CS.

I just wanna slap the guy in the face who decided her command grabs needed to be THIS difficult. I mean cmon, Astaroth's are a no brainer compared to Ivy's.

It's shit like this that pisses me off about SC. Sure, I wanna learn Ivy, or Cervantez, but can't use them because of ONE GOD DAMNED move that is near-impossible, and that one move happens to be BnB. Fuck you PS. No seriously, fuck you. Thank you for making a few moves SOO hard to do that I can never play those characters.

Sorry for the salty rant. Forgive me for being bitter :)
 
damn-I-Suck said:
How the fuck do you do this shit?

Okay... the up down up down part has me going wtf. No matter how fast I tap up, then down, etc, all I get is fucking side stepping. So then I tried using two hands, one on the d-pad, the other on the analog stick, trying to get that up down shit faster, nope same shit. She just steps.

^It's like your mom said. I'm probably over thinking it. When I see other people doing CS/iCS, I don't see any side stepping first.

Is there some kind of secret trick that I don't know about?

I don't even care about getting iCS yet, all I want is to pull off ONE GOD DAMNED CS.

I just wanna slap the guy in the face who decided her command grabs needed to be THIS difficult. I mean cmon, Astaroth's are a no brainer compared to Ivy's.

It's shit like this that pisses me off about SC. Sure, I wanna learn Ivy, or Cervantez, but can't use them because of ONE GOD DAMNED move that is near-impossible, and that one move happens to be BnB. Fuck you PS. No seriously, fuck you. Thank you for making a few moves SOO hard to do that I can never play those characters.

Sorry for the salty rant. Forgive me for being bitter :)
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If you play on a pad, the easiest way to do CS it to rotate the analog stick twice starting at 2 and ending at 6 (so 2369874123698741236 and then quickly move your thumb to d-pad and tap 66+B+G.

As for the two hand method, if you hold 2 on analog and press 88 on dpad, it will automatically register as 2828.
 
damn-I-Suck said:
Thank you for making a few moves SOO hard to do that I can never play those characters.

Sorry for the salty rant. Forgive me for being bitter :)
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I used to get pissed off like you, but then I started to focus on other, much more important, aspects of Ivy's game, and didn't pay TOO MUCH attention to CS, though I tried on occasion. Two months later, I do even iCS consistently, even offline (with the analog/d-pad method). For now, I think that the heat of battle helps my fingers do the move at the required speed, but I also had to figure out on myself when is the best time to start doing the move.
I manage not to side step if I start the first few directions during another move (this is called "buffering", as I gathered xD).
Being that your problem is more fundamental in nature, I'll help with a few advices. This helped Black Rose Vale, if I remember correctly.
In training mode, my initial Calamity Symphony attempts failed usually because I would end the 2828 part with a 2 instead of 8 (beats me how it happens, but it often did), and by missing 4. Of course, three 6s have to be there. It doesn't matter if you insert a direction as in: 6366 or 669688, there have to be three 6s. Good luck with the move. ^^
 
lol iCS is cool, but tbh most people will react to the flash, not to mention unless you are ring xD buffering iCS is a bitch and quite often a player will press B if they see you running towards them, which obviously breaks and if you are faking hits xD
 
bushindu said:
lol iCS is cool, but tbh most people will react to the flash, not to mention unless you are ring xD buffering iCS is a bitch and quite often a player will press B if they see you running towards them, which obviously breaks and if you are faking hits xD
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I say: first master it, then one day you'll figure out when's best to use it (if at all).
 
bushindu said:
LOL was that a dig, CS in general is over-rated I personally think, if who ever your playing is switched on and there is no lag it gets broken.
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CS pretty much takes the place of the regular B+G. And if it gets broken don´t be afraid to use A~G BE.

Ivy would have been a lot better is SS was a command throw and not a BE throw.
 
So I was messing around with Ivy last night, trying to learn CS, when I decided to try it on my MAS stick since it has a springy bounce-back. I figured it would've been easier to do on it since doing the 666 on a TE stick was proving to be a challange. Anywho, just by messing around, I figured an automatic way of doing CS. I could even get iCS with great consistentcy. I made a quick video of it which you can see here: You're not going to believe it lol


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Ivy iCS on Euro-IL Joystick
 
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Enkindu said:
So I was messing around with Ivy last night, trying to learn CS, when I decided to try it on my MAS stick since it has a springy bounce-back. I figured it would've been easier to do on it since doing the 666 on a TE stick was proving to be a challange. Anywho, just by messing around, I figured an automatic way of doing CS. I could even get iCS with great consistentcy. I made a quick video of it which you can see here: You're not going to believe it lol


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7 4 1,912
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Ivy iCS on Euro-IL Joystick
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so all my training has been humilliated by a bounce back stick, that´s sad.
 
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