If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

10% of your income? Shit, I only was asked to put a dollar in the donation basket each Sunday as a kid, and that was optional! I can't speak for all Mormon churches, but that seems to me like cult activity there.
 
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Y-Disciple said:
10% of your income? Shit, I only was asked to put a dollar in the donation basket each Sunday as a kid, and that was optional! I can't speak for all Mormon churches, but that seems to me like cult activity there.
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Yeah 10%. So for the math retards.....If you brought home a $1000 check, you would owe the LDS church $100. doesnt sound like a whole lot. But multiply that by 2 per month, then mulitply that by 12 for the year. and thats a lot of fuckin money to buy that solid gold statue that sits on top of ALL the temples there are. Seems fishy to me, but what do I know


The word "cult" is exactly what it felt like, and still seems like.

Perceptions from individual to individual can be completly differnt. Im not coming out saying..."the mormons are a cult" or "there is no god all religions are bullshit". Im just not a religious person. If someone has very compelling evidence that would make me think other wise...then I might be willing to listen. But as of right now. No Thanx!!!
 
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Evolution isn't based on anything. It just happens.
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I don't get this statement anyway. Of course it is based on something, otherwise it would be completely random and we couldn't roughly reconstruct what happened. Small mutations can turn out to be beneficial for survival and therefore spreading this new genetic material. When this initial impulse happens and what it looks like is somewhat random, that's right. If it prevails however can be foreseen.
 
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Hot_Rod_Dave said:
Yeah 10%. So for the math retards.....If you brought home a $1000 check, you would owe the LDS church $100. doesnt sound like a whole lot. But multiply that by 2 per month, then mulitply that by 12 for the year. and thats a lot of fuckin money to buy that solid gold statue that sits on top of ALL the temples there are. Seems fishy to me, but what do I know


The word "cult" is exactly what it felt like, and still seems like.

Perceptions from individual to individual can be completly differnt. Im not coming out saying..."the mormons are a cult" or "there is no god all religions are bullshit". Im just not a religious person. If someone has very compelling evidence that would make me think other wise...then I might be willing to listen. But as of right now. No Thanx!!!
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None of the Mormon doctrine makes any sense, but I think that 10% is pretty common for churches to ask for, though they very rarely get anywhere near that amount,
 
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Gegliosch said:
I don't get this statement anyway. Of course it is based on something, otherwise it would be completely random and we couldn't roughly reconstruct what happened. Small mutations can turn out to be beneficial for survival and therefore spreading this new genetic material. When this initial impulse happens and what it looks like is somewhat random, that's right. If it prevails however can be foreseen.
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Evolution is not based on something just like gravity or any other natural force is not based on something. They just are. Evolution is the name we give to a completely natural and logical phenomenon.

Dizzynecro said:
None of the Mormon doctrine makes any sense, but I think that 10% is pretty common for churches to ask for, though they very rarely get anywhere near that amount,
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No it's not. 10% is a huge amount. Most "legitimate" religions only ask for donations, whatever you can/want to spare... maybe $5-20.
 
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Per the Mormon Church, I'm still a little creeped out by the fact that they take roll on Sundays. And if you don't go, somebody visits your house.

That said, most Mormons I know are pretty damned solid people.
 
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HolyForce said:
... I'd be rich and retired in my 20s.

I fuck up so much but the big guy always bails me out. Epic warbles, son. Epic.
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That's possible. What's more likely though is that He is the one trying to destroy you in the first place. Read your literature.
 
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Gegliosch said:
I don't get this statement anyway. Of course it is based on something, otherwise it would be completely random and we couldn't roughly reconstruct what happened. Small mutations can turn out to be beneficial for survival and therefore spreading this new genetic material. When this initial impulse happens and what it looks like is somewhat random, that's right. If it prevails however can be foreseen.
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Evolution is completely random in that what genes appear to give species an advantage happen completely by chance. Evolution is not random in the sense that what is most likely to survive in the present will almost always appear in greater frequency in the next generation. Just because something is not random doesn't mean that it is based on anything. 1+1 is not 2 because there is some sort of invisible force saying that 1+1 should be 2. It just is. Same with evolution. There is no invisible force saying that the strongest ought to survive for the good of the species. They just do. As I said earlier, if anything, evolution is based on the self-evident truth that dead things don't reproduce, but that is really as far as it goes. The rest is just statistics.
 
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That's some minor misinterpretation from my side then... my second language proficiency seems to be insufficient when it comes to such details.
After all we agree on what it is.

edit - Just to make sure I get it right for the next time: If I refer to evolution as the whole process over time, could you agree that it is based on the given natural laws (whatever you call it) leading to it?
 
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Dizzynecro said:
None of the Mormon doctrine makes any sense, but I think that 10% is pretty common for churches to ask for, though they very rarely get anywhere near that amount,
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10% is higher than a normal church. Catholics for example have an OPTIONAL plate that comes around during sermon and its OPTIONAL to anything in it.

Now in my familys situation being on the church welfare and such it was a requirement to pay your tithing along with volunteer at local warehouse and things of that nature. Giving 10% of your income on a dishwashers salary (which was what my dad was) and still be able to pay bills, put food on the table, and find time to spend with your family when your not volunteering is very difficult.

Now dont get me wrong, for the amount of food we got each month, my dad was able to make sure that me and my sister were fed. which is what he wanted. Some might say its a small price to pay. But archangel hit on a point. If for some reason you didnt make it to church for whatever reason, a person was sent from the church to your house that same day uninvited to fill you in on the days lessons. And if you ever questioned those lessons as a kid, you got beat.

But the fucked up part is when in the middle of sacrament (which is the equivelent to sermon) it was always announced who was to volunteer at the canneries. and everybody knew that these people were the poor people that were recivieng some kind of church welfare. So after years of humiliation and embarrasment, my dad finally figured out that he wasnt saving that much money and time by having the church help out, so he decided to take us out of that place.

Mormans are a rich stuck up bunch of assholes at times. I have heard many lessons that associate the poor with the wicked thus giving me and my sister a hell of a lot of problems. My sister was also mentally retarded. You would think that a church of all places would be a place where she would be accepted and not treated like a freak. Wrong again. And it wasnt only 1 particular church. It was SEVERAL in my local area. Someone mentioned the word "cult" earlier. I tend to agree. If you are "not one of them" you were a freak of society.
 
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iKotomi said:
Evolution is completely random in that what genes appear to give species an advantage happen completely by chance. Evolution is not random in the sense that what is most likely to survive in the present will almost always appear in greater frequency in the next generation. Just because something is not random doesn't mean that it is based on anything. 1+1 is not 2 because there is some sort of invisible force saying that 1+1 should be 2. It just is. Same with evolution. There is no invisible force saying that the strongest ought to survive for the good of the species. They just do. As I said earlier, if anything, evolution is based on the self-evident truth that dead things don't reproduce, but that is really as far as it goes. The rest is just statistics.
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Your right, it is not an invisible force. It is, in fact, the other predators that are trying to kill them, or the enviroment changes that are affecting their habitat that allows the strongest to survive. You don't have anything that changed to suit your enviroment then your gonna be more likely to die than the critter next to you who was born with white fur since there is alot more snow than not this year. That is what determined it. Its not like we changed to SUIT our enviroment ourselves, but another person might get a changed gene, leading to a change in a physical attribute which might or might not be more beneficial for the enviroment they are currently living in. Its actually nothing extremely complicated (Unless you choose to go down on a genetic level) rather than just something being lucky, becoming more adapt to its surroundings, living longer than the others, and breeding more who have the same changed gene as them.
 
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KoshTheKoala said:
No it's not. 10% is a huge amount. Most "legitimate" religions only ask for donations, whatever you can/want to spare... maybe $5-20.
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10%'s actually pretty standard across the board for churches. (I got hit up for that during confirmation in a Lutheran church when I was in the 6th grade.) How actively they require/demand it's the difference.
 
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Marginal said:
10%'s actually pretty standard across the board for churches. (I got hit up for that during confirmation in a Lutheran church when I was in the 6th grade.) How actively they require/demand it's the difference.
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Wait, a church solicited you for 10% of your money while you were 12 yrs old?

Did they take your lunch money or something?
 
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KoshTheKoala said:
Wait, a church solicited you for 10% of your money while you were 12 yrs old?

Did they take your lunch money or something?
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They said that we'd be expected to give 10% of our household income when we started making money. A request of a 10% tithe is a longstanding tradition tho. (The same church also expected my uncle to buy a new organ for the church as thanks for hosting the funeral service for my grandparents, both longtime members of the church.)

I took myself out of the confirmation class shortly after that.
 
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10% is the standard established in Leviticus. It's not that much when you consider the fact that people in the church in general don't have another job, and that most people don't actually pay the whole 10%. It's more of a guideline though, from what I can gather.
 
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iKotomi said:
10% is the standard established in Leviticus. It's not that much when you consider the fact that people in the church in general don't have another job, and that most people don't actually pay the whole 10%. It's more of a guideline though, from what I can gather.
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Churches consisting of multi-million dollar structures sitting on real estate worth at least as much do not get to complain about money issues, especially since they're tax-exempt.

Mandatory "donations" are ridiculous.
 
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