AKNova7
[10] Knight
That's why you play Street Fighter with it. There is no better feeling than baiting out 8KA and punishing with CE. None.
Leixia next patch 1.04 update???
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That's why you play Street Fighter with it. There is no better feeling than baiting out 8KA and punishing with CE. None.
ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
yes there is... baiting it and punishing with 3B -> CE
Bloodpixel
[09] Warrior
I came in here just to say that I swear you have said that before.
Mandritti
[09] Warrior
Why is this such a common baiting attempt? I said things. I claimed
Leixia's lows are good, Leixia has range, Raph never has an advantage, and your SA sucks.
EDIT: And there are other ways to measure content. Did it make anyone think? Did someone enjoy reading it?
Did it interrupt other stupid shit?
MntT77
[10] Knight
Leixia doesn't really have good range, though. :/
Solo
[14] Master
She does if you consider her speed and frames.
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
Name some of these alleged good lows. Leixia also is a mid-range character.
In what language does "Speed and frames" equal "Range"?
Solo
[14] Master
She has good range for how safe she is and for how quick she is. But apparently some people don't like to turn on their brains and think today...
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
See, that's not the same thing as saying "She has range".
This is how the conversation went:
Mandritti: Leixia has range.
MntT77: No she doesn't.
You: Well, her range is fine considering her speed and safety.
Seeing as how Mandritti's post was full of misinformation, I doubt he meant it like that either. He actually thinks Leixia has range. That's like saying "Leixia's breasts are big!" without adding "For her age, race, height and body fat!".
Besides, Leixia's most far-reaching moves are either unsafe and/or sluggish. Her fast moves have mediocre to bad range. Her AA and BB has someone of the game's worst range for AA's and BB's.
ChaosK
[13] Hero
Hmm i would say her range is pretty good for a close range char. One might even consider her as a mid range char, maybe?
Kalas
[13] Hero
All your arguments are invalid, I played Ring today and proved that Leixia indeed is OP. Ask Ring. :P
AKNova7
[10] Knight
The Natsu's I play are too smart for that. They just 8K. I prefer to just anti-air. Lol.
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
She is a mid-range character. Very few characters in this game are actually close-range characters.
MntT77
[10] Knight
Leixia's range isn't terribad, but it's not what I'd call good either. Many of her better tools (3A+B, AA, 66K, 4A) don't have much going for them in the range department, and conversely most of her longer-range moves (like 6B) have many other problems. Plus let's be honest, the only characters that are truly close-range are Natsu, Devil Jin and (partially) Viola.
Though I will grant that 6KK has good range for a -14 punisher.
Though I will grant that 6KK has good range for a -14 punisher.
ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
Ok, so... here's the bottom line as far as all this nonsense is concerned.
1. Leixia is a close to mid range fighter, who has the tools to answer every situation. However, because of heavy nerfs to her wakeup game (22K) and Guard crush game (33BB/WS B(BE)), as well as the 2x CE, she now has to rely on poking and movement to get her shots in. this would be ok, but consider the next point.
2. She has the LOWEST damage output in the game. Period. (Not Raph, not Zwei, not Aeon) And this makes all the difference. Why? Simple. The lower damage you have, the more correct guesses and reads the player needs to make. So while, yes, she's safe... she's fast... has good frames... decent range... etc, she needs to open her opponent up more times than any of her opponents. (For those that have played SC4, Think of Leixia like Amy... except without any of Amy's lows, oki game, or mid aGI)
3. Once you get to a certain level of skill in this game, (or any game) It all comes down to making good judgement calls and baiting mistakes. And at the highest level of play, you basically have to be that much better at those things than every other top player you face. This is doable, but considerably harder than, say, playing 2/3 hit kill matches with "Bushido Blade's" Mitsurugi and Alpha Pat.
4. As a Soul Calibur trend, low damage poking characters do NOT do so well in tiers. (This is because of everything I just said in points 1~3.) You simply won't beat everyone with pokes. You need things to scare them out of their comfort zone. This was made up for in ver 1.01 with WS B(BE) (which yes, was a bit too good) and her amazing wakeup/GB game. For any character to make up for lack of damage, they need a reason for people to really fear playing defense. Whether that means scary lows for 50/50s, or a super strong guard burst game. (Currently Leixia is a character who slowly breaks down her opponents defenses.)
You can win with her, but the fact that it requires that much shows she's not "fine" in her current state. (Doesn't matter if it's her that's too weak, or others too strong.) You can apply every argument I've made here to any poke based character with lower reward. Got it now, guys? Good.
Now that I've made this all clear, and until there's an official ver. 1.04 patch, I am closing this thread. Have a nice day!
1. Leixia is a close to mid range fighter, who has the tools to answer every situation. However, because of heavy nerfs to her wakeup game (22K) and Guard crush game (33BB/WS B(BE)), as well as the 2x CE, she now has to rely on poking and movement to get her shots in. this would be ok, but consider the next point.
2. She has the LOWEST damage output in the game. Period. (Not Raph, not Zwei, not Aeon) And this makes all the difference. Why? Simple. The lower damage you have, the more correct guesses and reads the player needs to make. So while, yes, she's safe... she's fast... has good frames... decent range... etc, she needs to open her opponent up more times than any of her opponents. (For those that have played SC4, Think of Leixia like Amy... except without any of Amy's lows, oki game, or mid aGI)
3. Once you get to a certain level of skill in this game, (or any game) It all comes down to making good judgement calls and baiting mistakes. And at the highest level of play, you basically have to be that much better at those things than every other top player you face. This is doable, but considerably harder than, say, playing 2/3 hit kill matches with "Bushido Blade's" Mitsurugi and Alpha Pat.
4. As a Soul Calibur trend, low damage poking characters do NOT do so well in tiers. (This is because of everything I just said in points 1~3.) You simply won't beat everyone with pokes. You need things to scare them out of their comfort zone. This was made up for in ver 1.01 with WS B(BE) (which yes, was a bit too good) and her amazing wakeup/GB game. For any character to make up for lack of damage, they need a reason for people to really fear playing defense. Whether that means scary lows for 50/50s, or a super strong guard burst game. (Currently Leixia is a character who slowly breaks down her opponents defenses.)
You can win with her, but the fact that it requires that much shows she's not "fine" in her current state. (Doesn't matter if it's her that's too weak, or others too strong.) You can apply every argument I've made here to any poke based character with lower reward. Got it now, guys? Good.
Now that I've made this all clear, and until there's an official ver. 1.04 patch, I am closing this thread. Have a nice day!
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