orangeislands31
[13] Hero
How I wish I could have played pre patch Natsu when her tacks where actually worth a shit. I have a hard time getting a CH with her FC A+B :/ However I can see how the tacks could get CH out of WR mashers. lol
Natsu Questions And Answers / General Discussion
- Thread starter IdleMind
- Start date
kAb
[12] Conqueror
The purpose of tacks has changed but it doesn't make them useless.
i16, -6 on block, +12 on hit, full combo on ch. forward range is better than it appears.
To me this shows that in a matchup where ws k gets punished hard such as Cervantes, ivy, natsu, anyone with fast ce , tacks are a better option. Sacrificing 2 frames of speed for safety and the same reward. -6 is small enough to run reverse mixups as well.
There is also the use of normal hit tacks against the wall or edge as a tech trap or block/whiff punish for the instant ring out.
i16, -6 on block, +12 on hit, full combo on ch. forward range is better than it appears.
To me this shows that in a matchup where ws k gets punished hard such as Cervantes, ivy, natsu, anyone with fast ce , tacks are a better option. Sacrificing 2 frames of speed for safety and the same reward. -6 is small enough to run reverse mixups as well.
There is also the use of normal hit tacks against the wall or edge as a tech trap or block/whiff punish for the instant ring out.
Slade
[14] Master
Would I be mistaken in saying that it's also a lot easier to control the opponent's movement after NH FC A+B compared to NH WR K? WR K has much less advantage and I think it can push some characters far enough away that they can backdash out of the range of the first hit in 66K.
FleshMasher
[13] Hero
That's correct.
NH FC 2A+B~ 66B kills even sidestep.
I think 66B is a must block here.
Exceptions may be some attacks with superior tech evasion.
orangeislands31
[13] Hero
Apparently the tacks aren't as useless as everyone has been telling me. Well this is good to know.
DopeDojo
[09] Warrior
My wish list for Natsu in this iteration or the next. Not let the opponent sidestep PO B after being hit with 6 A+B. On block I could understand but not on hit.
Harry
[10] Knight
That would be really fucked up if couldn't sidestep PO B after 6A+B on hit. Besides, she has ways to train your opponent to not sidestep PO stance so it would a completely unnecessary buff.
FleshMasher
[13] Hero
I'd rather have "guaranteed" PO A/K not whiff on some characters after 6A+B.
DopeDojo
[09] Warrior
I don't know, PO A can be stepped, K can too I'm sure and it does seem to randomly whiff. Actually it seems like all of her PO moves can be stepped.
orangeislands31
[13] Hero
Yeah usually when people see you go into PO they automatically step in fear of PO B... Their are ways to exploit this reaction I would suppose.
EyeofCalamity
[10] Knight
Well honestly it would be too much if you couldn't step PO B on hit. It already does inbalanced damage on hit and on guard natsu's gets good options from it on block (if they 2A use A+B, 66B, BE A throw or 66B+G) I like Fleshmasters Idea
mneme
[09] Warrior
So what are they? Is PO A:6 steppable (if not...well, as mixups go, 80 vs 64 damage is pretty good)
FleshMasher
[13] Hero
I think PO A6 kills step quite reliably. But can *maybe* be ducked on reaction.
I mostly use PO 466+B+G as most people don't break the (from PO) predictable B+G throw with B.
Here, a Character Guide for PO A/K
I mostly use PO 466+B+G as most people don't break the (from PO) predictable B+G throw with B.
Here, a Character Guide for PO A/K
DopeDojo
[09] Warrior
I don't know what I'm doing wrong but every time I do PO 4 66 B+G Natsu dashes forward then does PO B.
mneme
[09] Warrior
Dope: timing. I haven't practiced for a bit, but IIRC that's what happens when you key 66 too early (before Natsu is actually -in- PO). Try going into practice mode and just practice until you can wait just long enough.
DopeDojo
[09] Warrior
I'll have to practice that then.
On a side note, I know this isn't the right place to ask this but it also seems to be the one area of the site that is most frequented. But I'll be moving from California in a couple weeks to the mid-west over in northern Indianapolis. Does a Soul Calibur scene exist out there? I haven't heard anything yet, except some possibilities in Chicago.
On a side note, I know this isn't the right place to ask this but it also seems to be the one area of the site that is most frequented. But I'll be moving from California in a couple weeks to the mid-west over in northern Indianapolis. Does a Soul Calibur scene exist out there? I haven't heard anything yet, except some possibilities in Chicago.
orangeislands31
[13] Hero
You should check out the regional match making forums, you're bound to find some one on their :D
DopeDojo
[09] Warrior
It's Natsu's frame data up to date?
orangeislands31
[13] Hero
I actually dont think her frames have been updated in awhile so thats a good question...
Hey guys how do yall feel about using A:6 after a successful 2A+B or 4A+Ba launch? It seems like it gives her better oki but of course their is reduced dmg if you dont use the bomb drop... I see a lot of natsus doing this but I would like to know just how useful you guys thinkit is.
Hey guys how do yall feel about using A:6 after a successful 2A+B or 4A+Ba launch? It seems like it gives her better oki but of course their is reduced dmg if you dont use the bomb drop... I see a lot of natsus doing this but I would like to know just how useful you guys thinkit is.