"NO NO!!" "NO NO!" "NO NO!!"

[TiZ]

Good god. Are we just going to sit here and complain all day, or are we going to get to work on figuring out techniques to make her halfway viable? I have been trying for the past two pages to try and get some productive trains of thought going, but none of you whiny bitches are having it. I know that when I get salty about my lack of skill or the tier disparity, that I get rather whiny and irritating, but you guys take the cake for sure. The ZWEI SA has a thread specifically for bitching about how bad he is, so why don't we split you guys off into a thread like that here if you're not going to make even half of an effort to be productive?

 

[FallenAngelII]

Good god. Are we just going to sit here and complain all day, or are we going to get to work on figuring out techniques to make her halfway viable? I have been trying for the past two pages to try and get some productive trains of thought going, but none of you whiny bitches are having it. I know that when I get salty about my lack of skill or the tier disparity, that I get rather whiny and irritating, but you guys take the cake for sure. The ZWEI SA has a thread specifically for bitching about how bad he is, so why don't we split you guys off into a thread like that here if you're not going to make even half of an effort to be productive?

There's really not much you can do. Hope they screw up, that's pretty much it. No matter how hard we try, Leixia's weaknesses will remain the same.

 

[TiZ]

So you're giving up. You don't want to even try to think about different ways to play Leixia. You don't want to even try to find some way, some how to take advantage of the fact that our character is so bad. You don't want to try and find some strategy or technique somewhere that nobody's thought of using yet.

 

[Age_of_Truth]

...why don't we split you guys off into a thread like that here if you're not going to make even half of an effort to be productive?

This is a pretty good idea. Get to it, mods!

 

[FallenAngelII]

So you're giving up. You don't want to even try to think about different ways to play Leixia. You don't want to even try to find some way, some how to take advantage of the fact that our character is so bad. You don't want to try and find some strategy or technique somewhere that nobody's thought of using yet.

I'm not giving up. I'm still playing Leixia, I'm still looking for creative ways to play her. But don't get your hopes up. We're not going to find a magical combo, strategy or playing style that will magically make her more viable.

It's all about outplaying your opponent at all costs with Leixia. There is no magical strategy or technique that's going to make her any more viable than she actually is. All we can do is grit our teeth and try to play as solidly as possible.

 

[WARUI_NE]

i will compare leixia to any other characters, its only fair to do so,since she competing with the rest of the cast except in mirrors.
anyone who mains leixia with a realistic expectation of winning, will not be contempt with this version.
unless of course you don't like winning or just attend tourneys for the experience.

You are a moron....legit. I think you also mean "content" not "contempt"


con·tent/kənˈtent/



Adjective:
In a state of peaceful happiness.

Verb:
Satisfy (someone).

Noun:

1. A state of satisfaction: "the greater part of the century was a time of content".
2. The things that are held or included in something.

Synonyms:
adjective. contented - pleased - satisfied - glad - happy
verb. satisfy - gratify - please - indulge - suffice
noun. contents - satisfaction - contentment - capacity - volume
I really like lexia she has safety, stepkill, good punishers, evasion, speed, pokes, decent lows, and the spammiest 3B of all time....she doesn't need damage on top of all that. Thats a hell of a lot more then raph aeon or zwei has and they are all viable. This game is pretty balanced.


Don't underestimate having a really good standing low + amazing evasion options.

Maybe you guys are right, you guys should just get amy 33B and 2B+K cause who doesn't love awesome braindead broken characters like that?
Its ok just say it you guys want amy.

I had to go back SEVERAL pages to find any useful data or stuff on the character thats pretty crappy.

Wanna make her viable?
Heres an idea: Not being a terrible player. Yeah I know its hard having to adapt and use your brain. This game is far more balanced then any other SC so far. Instead of complaining about her actually requiring an ounce of effort how about you improve on basics. Because her basics will get you pretty far.

 

[FallenAngelII]

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I really like lexia she has safety, stepkill, good punishers, evasion, speed, pokes, decent lows, and the spammiest 3B of all time.

1) What great stepkill moves does she have that most other characters don't? She can't combo from any of her stepskills except WR A and even then it can barely combo. None of them inflict a lot of damage. Many of them are high.
2) Decent lows? In what alternate universe? She's got one of the worst arsenals of lows in the game.
3) Most characters can AA her face if she 3Bs. Also, it's super-linear and easy to step. Spam it and eat punishment.

...she doesn't need damage on top of all that.

What?

Thats a hell of a lot more then raph aeon or zwei has and they are all viable.

Raphael is viable?

Don't underestimate having a really good standing low + amazing evasion options.

What "standing" low? WR A+B? FC3bB? You call either of those good? Her "evasion options" inflict laughably little damage and are kinda unsafe on block.

Wanna make her viable?
Heres an idea: Not being a terrible player. Yeah I know its hard having to adapt and use your brain. This game is far more balanced then any other SC so far. Instead of complaining about her actually requiring an ounce of effort how about you improve on basics. Because her basics will get you pretty far.

Who the heck are you, anyway? Do you even play Leixia? Have you ever tried playing as her? Spam 3B? Decent lows? She has [good] stepkill moves (implied to be more or equal to most characters)?

And did you just call Kayane, Kalas, RTD, Windstar (to a degree) and all other top Leixia players terrible players? Because they all agree with all of the "whining" (to a degree) we've been spewing for the past several pages.

 

[Therenovator]

You are a moron....legit. I think you also mean "content" not "contempt"


con·tent/kənˈtent/



Adjective:
In a state of peaceful happiness.

Verb:
Satisfy (someone).

Noun:

1. A state of satisfaction: "the greater part of the century was a time of content".
2. The things that are held or included in something.

Synonyms:

adjective. contented - pleased - satisfied - glad - happy
verb. satisfy - gratify - please - indulge - suffice
noun. contents - satisfaction - contentment - capacity - volume
I really like lexia she has safety, stepkill, good punishers, evasion, speed, pokes, decent lows, and the spammiest 3B of all time....she doesn't need damage on top of all that. Thats a hell of a lot more then raph aeon or zwei has and they are all viable. This game is pretty balanced.


Don't underestimate having a really good standing low + amazing evasion options.

Maybe you guys are right, you guys should just get amy 33B and 2B+K cause who doesn't love awesome braindead broken characters like that?
Its ok just say it you guys want amy.

I had to go back SEVERAL pages to find any useful data or stuff on the character thats pretty crappy.

Wanna make her viable?
Heres an idea: Not being a terrible player. Yeah I know its hard having to adapt and use your brain. This game is far more balanced then any other SC so far. Instead of complaining about her actually requiring an ounce of effort how about you improve on basics. Because her basics will get you pretty far.

i think if there's a moron its definitively you.
dont come here lecturing me, on my English idiot. mr know it all, i'm sure you've made a few errors in your time.
how many days did it take you to correct my message some people have time on their hands.
while your at it,you might as well run an English class on everyone's post.
you must be pretty stupid to assume me complaining makes me a bad player.
im not sure if you see what you choose to see but every leixia player here is complaining about how pitfull this chatacter is from the notable tourney players like kayane,kalas to others.
im sure you play a better leixia than they do idiot.
leixia is bad end of dicussion you dont play her, so as far as im concerned your opinion to me means nothing.
why the hell are you even in this forum may i ask.
who gives you the right to come in here and patronize players that know ten times more about leixia than you will ever know.

 

[WARUI_NE]

1) What great stepkill moves does she have that most other characters don't? She can't combo from any of her stepskills except WR A and even then it can barely combo. None of them inflict a lot of damage. Many of them are high.

You don't need to have high damage stepkill if they are mostly safe
3A is a safe mid stepkill thats i20..........most i20 mid step kill is unsafe as fuck. Go look at cervy 3A or Apat bA

2) Decent lows? In what alternate universe? She's got one of the worst arsenals of lows in the game.

Yeah cause we all know a low needs to knock down to be good.........22K is super badddddd and 1A also terrible
1A is a safe low with a follow up to keep them honest.
So yeah go back to SC4 and play amy

3) Most characters can AA her face if she 3Bs. Also, it's super-linear and easy to step. Spam it and eat punishment.

thanks for once again proving you lack any basics such as spacing......the knockback at tip range leaves them way farther range then any AA can punish

What?


Raphael is viable?

Maybe not for you, Heaton has an amazing raph

What "standing" low? WR A+B? FC3bB? You call either of those good? Her "evasion options" inflict laughably little damage and are kinda unsafe on block.

neither of those are standing lows bud....try 1K yeah its slow but if they block it it leaves you in reverse mix up territory

Who the heck are you, anyway?

Yah im a nobody

Do you even play Leixia? Have you ever tried playing as her?

I could ask you the same question based on what you posted.

And did you just call Kayane, Kalas, RTD, Windstar (to a degree) and all other top Leixia players terrible players? Because they all agree with all of the "whining" (to a degree) we've been spewing for the past several pages.

RTD isn't a whiner, I've met him....hes just a tier whore. If it's not top tier he doesn't bother.

Did you just call windstar a top player? LOL wow way to put the guy on the spot, even he will tell you....hes bad.


Just so you all know.......the lexia SA is the laughing stock of the entire community.
I'd be willing to bet I could beat you all in a FT10 outside of kalas and zack with lex.....

as for claims of me not playing her.......I play %90 of the cast just like i did in SC4......My basics are good enough that I can do that. The only characters I don't play in SCV are both phyrras

My previous post is more info about the character that is on like the past 5 pages

 

[TiZ]

the lexia SA is the laughing stock of the entire community.

Yup, sounds about right to me.

RE: 1A -- you mean 11A, right?

 

[WARUI_NE]

RE: 1A -- you mean 11A, right?

typo on my part but yeah

I'm not even a grammar nazi btw but jesus christ don't use words you don't know the definition to.

 

[FallenAngelII]

You don't need to have high damage stepkill if they are mostly safe

No, but plenty of characters have safe/safe-ish stepkillers that either inflict high damage and/or combo. Leixia's stepkillers are mediocre.

3A is a safe mid stepkill thats i20..........

But the damage is laughable.

Yeah cause we all know a low needs to knock down to be good.........22K is super badddddd and 1A also terrible

1) 22K is slow, +0 on hit (knockdown on CH), doesn't give a mix-up on non-CH hit, is i28, -16 on block and inflicts a measly 24 damage. It's not "super badddddd", but it's not really something to be proud of.

How in the world is 1A a low? Leixia has no low A's except 11_99A, and 11_99A is sluggish, inflicts laughably low damage (14!), doesn't NC or NCC into 11_99AA and is -14 on block (and -4 on hit).

1A is a safe low with a follow up to keep them honest.

In what alternate universe is 1A a low and in what universe does Leixia have a safe low with a follow up to "keep them honest" except friggin 1KK, which is i39?

thanks for once again proving you lack any basics such as spacing......the knockback at tip range leaves them way farther range then any AA can punish.

But you just said "spam", not "spam at tip range". And still, they can easily step it and screw you over on cooldown.

Maybe not for you, Heaton has an amazing raph

Has Heaton ever come close to winning a major tournament? Or even a minor one? Does Heaton himself consider Raphael viable?

neither of those are standing lows bud....try 1K yeah its slow but if they block it it leaves you in reverse mix up territory

Nobody ever friggin' gets hit by 1K. It's friggin' i39. I've had people block on reaction on 2-bar connections when I accidentally 1K:ed instead of 2K:ing. You'll be lucky if you don't get whacked upside the head on startup. And why would you want to use an i39 to initiate a reverse mixup on block?! Especially an i39 that only inflicts 22 damage on hit!

So if you 1K, you're using an i39 to:
* Get 22 damage and knockdown on hit.
* Get a -2 reverse mix-up.
* (You cannot hit confirm 1K into 1KK, so you'd have to choose between the NC and the reverse mix-up on prediction)

Seems legit!

Yah im a nobody

No, I asked who you were to come into a Leixia thread to lecture Leixia players.

I could ask you the same question based on what you posted.

At least what I say is agreed on by the top Leixia players in the world. What you say isn't.

RTD isn't a whiner, I've met him....hes just a tier whore. If it's not top tier he doesn't bother.

Funny how he's played Leixia in tournaments then.

Did you just call windstar a top player? LOL wow way to put the guy on the spot, even he will tell you....hes bad.

I added "to a degree" in there. He's quite knowledgeable when it comes to the metagame.

Just so you all know.......the lexia SA is the laughing stock of the entire community.

Just so you know, 1A isn't a low.

I'd be willing to bet I could beat you all in a FT10 outside of kalas and zack with lex.....

Sure. Spam that 1A low against me!

My previous post is more info about the character that is on like the past 5 pages

Brilliant info. "Use 1K for reverse mix-ups! 1A is a low!"

Edit:
Since you've since stated that you "typoed" 11A as 1A:
1) 11A is not safe. It is -14. Leixia herself can punish 11A with the following, guaranteed: 6KK, FC K, FC B, FC A. Plenty of characters can punish 11A on block. It's a friggin' reverse mix-up on hit.
2) 11A does not have a "followup that keeps them honest". 11A is -4 on hit. 11AA does not NC or NCC, ever. The only thing 11A gives you is a slowass "mix-up" between 11AA and 11AA~G.

But I'm just a no name player who knows nothing about Leixia. Let's all listen to your brilliant advice and use 1K for reverse mix-upping more!

 

[FallenAngelII]

3A is low risk low reward....how is that bad?

I didn't say it was bad. But all in all, her lows aren't really decent. They're mediocre to sub-par. Also, 3A, not low.

22K has been the same speed since SC3 when it was 11K and it still hit.....

I didn't say it never hits. I said it's not really that good. It's sluggish, is unsafe on block and gives little reward unless on CH. It's a high-risk low-reward move.

All in all, her lack of good lows add up to an arsenal of mediocre to sub-par lows, not decent lows.

11A is solid as fuck if you can't see the potential in that you are as bad as I thought

I didn't say it wasn't useful, but you made 2 patently false claims about 11A, that:
1) It's safe - It isn't.
2) It leads to a follow-up that keeps them honest - No it doesn't. It leads to a reverse mix-up. They can just throw out an i16 or faster horizontal mid/special-mid/low and there's literally no move Leixia can pull off that won't get her hit except for if she successfully jumps a low/special-mid.

FYI 1K isn't meant to mix them up....its a step kill....

Who the hell leaves themselves open for 39 frames when stepping?!

you threaten with the second hit and 44B you get them hesitating.

How can you threaten them with the 2nd hit? If you stop at the 1st hit, you're at -2. It's not like it's hard to tell when she stops spinning after the 1st hit. If they just whack you in the face with any given fast 2_3A or horizontal, you're toast if you 44B (or do anything except blocking, really).

Also, 44B is one of the worst reverse mix-up moves in some match-ups. You 1K Mitsurugi? He 4Bs (or whatever the input is) and it'll beat your 44B. You 1K into 44B fast characters? They'll throw out a poke that's so fast they can actually block your 44B and then you're screwed because 44B is friggin' unsafe.

44B is low reward for high risk. 1K -> 44B is a friggin' stupid reverse mix-up that'll work maybe once. Heck, the 2nd time you 1K, don't be surprised if they jump and whack you in the face or launch you on reaction.

Why would you use an i39 for stepkilling when you can use 11A, which is infinitely faster and has roughly the same amount of range (3A+B is faster than both, but it's got shoddy range)?

pseudo safe stepkilling lows <3 You really aren't helping your case with the whole "my basics don't suck thing" with that argument

Show me a single match where a high level Leixia uses 1K as a stepkill move. 1K is safe, not pseudo-safe, but it's so friggin' slow it won't be stepkilling anyone more than maybe once or twice a set, when they have a brainfart and decide to leave themselves open for 39 frames when stepping. 1K doesn't even TC or TS, so any given move out of 8wayrun that isn't slow as Hell will catch it.

And seeing as how no high level Leixia player uses the "basics" you just described, they must be all garbage and your Leixia is better than them, right? Find a single video of Kayane or Zack (Zero?) using 1K as anti-step or 11A/11AA to "keep them honest". You can't, because they don't because you're not supposed to do either of those things (a few 11As/11AAs every now and then is OK, but it's hardly a string you should use more than once or twice a set). And if you manage to actually make either of those things work, you're facing bad players.

Read my above post I meant 11A
that low has been i28 since SC1....and its still hard as fuck to read

1) I never said it wasn't hard to read. Stop putting words into my mouth.
2) What I was taking issue with was your two blatantly false claims about how it's safe and has a follow-up that "keeps them honest". Neither is true.

 

[Therenovator]

so Warui_NE
1 A is a low this is coming from the chump,who thinks he knows it all.
11aa is solid what are you smoking?
its -4 on hit - 14 on block are you stupid or what?
1kk solid step killer really?
its so slow even scrubs block this move.its used for OKI game and thats just about it.
based on those comments alone i can safely say you know nothing about leixia.
can you please stop posting rubbish here.
if you have something to say teke it to the pm's
stop ruining this forum.

 

[WARUI_NE]

stop ruining this forum.

LOL, Yeah I should leave that to the people just complaining and not posting strats

also how is it a blatently false claim of keeping them honest? Think its false? willing to bet money at an EC major? ill come out of retirement to take said cash.
My entire game is based on forcing them to hesitate by faking strings and using her great evasion to punish predictable follow ups. which is exactly why i like 11A/11AA mix ups
you can threaten the folow up....and ya know simply not do it.....see this is why i say you are both terrible

I never said 3A was a low its a great step kill.


for actual strats and still kinda on topic:

11A~44B will beat most quick-ish interrupts if they predict a 11A RCC ~ AA
11AA will beat 2A type stuff looking for any string stop/go mix ups
11A RCC AA for beating those who hesitate

 

[JustinAkatsuki]

Keep this up and this thread will be locked.......

 

[FallenAngelII]

also how is it a blatently false claim of keeping them honest? Think its false? willing to bet money at an EC major? ill come out of retirement to take said cash

How the heck do you keep them honest by having a reverse mix-up?!

Also, I live in Sweden. So no.

you can threaten the folow up....and ya know simply not do it.....see this is why i say you are both terrible

Or they could whack you in the face.

I never said 3A was a low its a great step kill

Sorry, I read "Low risk" as "Low". It's still low risk, low reward, as you said. All in all, her lows aren't decent at all (you refuse to concede this point). Also, 11A is not safe, you have yet to actually concede this.

You just throw out random false claims and then pretend like you didn't when called on it. 11_99AA is not a combo, it's not a very good follow-up and if you try it more than once or twice, they're gonna wise up and whack you in the face. What is it, i22 or something after 11A?

 

[WARUI_NE]

Also, 11A is not safe,

post reverse mix ups they will respect your minor frame disadvantage and hesitate expecting an evade( on this point we seem to be arguing on terminology rather then concepts)

11AA is probably interrupt-able on block...key word on block. It doesn't get blocked much.
11A is -14 (which is basically safe with a follow up)and recovers TC which means they have to guess with a 2A unless they are Apat to punish it because the follow up will TJ 2As

and I don't see how you can say her lows suck all you do is keep mentioning the short comings of ya know.....using a low...you will be hard pressed to find a safe fast + on hit low in SCV..which sounds like what you are looking for....even if you don't like her other lows you have to see the value in 2K...
2Ks in SCV are for some reason -2 which makes them pretty good poke lows for everyone.....I really think they should be patched to -3 or something


EDIT:Renovator willing to throw down some cash?

 

[FallenAngelII]

post reverse mix ups they will respect your minor frame disadvantage and hesitate expecting an evade( on this point we seem to be arguing on terminology rather then concepts)

That evade is high risk, low reward. Also, you still don't stepkill with 1K!

11AA is probably interrupt-able on block...key word on block. It doesn't get blocked much.

Because of opponents unfamiliar with the match-up.

11A is -14 (which is basically safe with a follow up)and recovers TC which means they have to guess with a 2A unless they are Apat to punish it because the follow up will TJ 2As.

It's -14. Leixia can 6KK that shit. Let's go down the list:
Almost everyone if not everyone: FC A (i12-i13)
aPatz: FC 3aB (i13), FC 3a:B (i12), FCK (i14), CE (i8)
Aeon: FC K (i14), CE (i14), I think
Algol: FC K (i14), 6K(K) (i14)
Cervantes: FC K (i14), WR K (i14), 6K (i13)
Dampierre: FC K (i14)
Hilde: FC K, WR K
Natsu: FC K, WR K (why hello there, CH combo!), FC B, probably a bajillion things
Leixia: FC B, FC K, 6KK
Pyrrhas: FC K (i14), Stabbity-Stab (i14)

Then I got bored because there is only so much frame data one can check out in the wiki before becoming listless. Probably literally everyone in the game can punish 11A with FC A and FC K. Some can punish it with WR A/B/K. Others can punish it with worse things (CE, 6KK, etc.). It's not safe, it's not just terribly unsafe.

And if you try to do anything after 11A besides block, you're in deep shit. It's not some kind of guessing game or reverse mix-up. It's -14! Every single character in the game has a gauranteed punisher against it, no guessing involved!

and I don't see how you can say her lows suck all you do is keep mentioning the short comings of ya know.....

1) I didn't use the term "sucks".
2) If literally almost everyone else have better lows relatively speaking, how can her lows be decent?

using a low...you will be hard pressed to find a safe fast + on hit low in SCV.

Leixia has... 1 of those (2K/FC K, virtually the same, FC K is 1 frame faster, though)? The rest are either slow/sluggish or unsafe. Yay 2K/FC K! It's not like almost everyone else doesn't have one that's pretty much the same! Unless you think i28ish is fast (you seem to think -14 is safe and a good reverse mix-up).

even if you don't like her other lows you have to see the value in 2K...
2Ks in SCV are for some reason -2 which makes them pretty good poke lows for everyone.....

Again, if everyone has the same 2K (except aPatz because he's stupid) and Leixia is sorely lacking in good lows otherwise (you can only name 2K and 11A as good lows, yet you think her lows are decent) while almost everyone else has better lows, how can Leixia's be anything but sub-par?

Edit: Added more moves the characters I listed can punish Leixia's 11A with on block.

 

[WARUI_NE]

Lol highs or mids cant punish 11a...it recovers tc and had a tj follow up

try reading more

it really astounds me. You think lows are good in scv....
There are only a handful of + on hit lows....as for unreadable and + on hit theres only one of those.

22k is 0 on hit thats pretty good for scv.
Scv is less about lows and.more about controlling movement/baiting whiffs anyway. So even if im wrong (which im not) it wouldnt really matter.the best low in scv is -6 on hit just remember that

ikuwayo they are trying to either
A) be the cool kids maining "low tier lexia"
or
B) looking for an excuse as to why they lose