noVA Casual Matches 1-10-09

Tiamat

Tiamat

[11] Champion
I have put up a somewhat excessive number of videos on youtube from our last session in northern Virginia. You can find them in the following playlist if interested.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AD5D438F157F0CCC

Players & characters:
Tiamat (NM, Maxi)
Millionz (Raph, Cervy)
Fiendchi (Voldo, Wizardman, Maxi, NM)

The playlist has 4 pages because it is 34 videos. The videos on page 1 are the latest videos, so the earlier matches are actually on page 4. Millionz left after a bit so his matches are not on page 3 or 4 at all.

also there is button on each vid under it for high quality, which I'd recommend
 
Fiendchi's Voldo is really nice. Glad to see you've much improved your execution Taimat ;)
Good stuff.

Your maxi is.....interesting lol.
 
Yum, never thought of WS K into step, I'm definitely going to need to incorporate that into my play more.

NM vs voldo is such an uphill battle...
 
words of truth Johnny.

IMO for Nightmare, the voldo match up is almost as bad as Wizardman vs NM. Where Liz shuts down Nighty's step game with his brain dead anti-step, voldo kills B+K back stepping with his range, plus 1B ground throw is at least +8 ridiculousness.
 
It's ture Voldo has ridiculous CF game.
But IMO , againest NM. Voldo doesn't take much advantage on it. Voldo has pretty bad side step and don't have good tools anti-step,6A might be is the only one fast ,safe track moves .
And as Voldo has BS stance which leave him into backturn. NM 's awesome range grab works here very well, that is 65-_-||| 。Also NM is the few characters that can punish Voldo's LOW badly,...... 1A_BS1A both -16 on block.
 
hotnikkelz said:
Fiendchi's Voldo is really nice. Glad to see you've much improved your execution Taimat ;)
Good stuff.

Your maxi is.....interesting lol.
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hehe XD

eltoshan: did you really watch the matches and you are still saying those things? don't you see how hard it is for front turned voldo to hit sidestepping nightmare? don't you see things like normal hit 1K > B+K dodging Voldo's 1[K] and things like that?

I think NM vs Voldo is a pretty even matchup. There are some things we could improve but I think you can see why I say that if you look through these matches. Some punishing type things could be improved in these matches, such as me needing to GI second hit of voldo 3BB, at least sometimes, as well as voldo being able to 6:6B punish several moves such as GS A, NSS K, etc. Nightmare can punish voldo BS 1A but need to be very close range, so usually it is pretty safe against nightmare. If nightmare does a step 2G and blocks he generally gets close enough to punish it, so that is something to keep in mind.
 
Yeah I did watch most of the voldo matches, that's why I said I gotta start using WS K > step :P. I still think the match up is much better in Voldo's favor. The only thing NM has going for him is stepping. Voldo's verticals would have reached 1K into B+K back step, and 1K side step would not have been fast enough to step a regular BB unless the step was done as early as possible. I'm not concerned about voldo's 1K as much in this match up, I am much more concerned about 66:B completely nullifying 1K > B+K. Plus, step > bA6 punishing doesn't work nearly as well against Voldo because so many of Voldo's moves leaves him recovering in crouch, and step > iWR has range issues and is too slow if you mess up the execution even a little bit.

About punishing BS 1A, the problem is that you need to block it in order to punish, having a un-reactable 50/50 that knocks down is in Voldo's favor.

NM does have ways around this match up, but nontheless his options are mostly limited to throws which still whiffs sometimes due to the pushback on some of Voldo's moves not to mention the myriad of TC in Voldo's movelist, stepping, and oki.
 
In these matches the main way that my B+K got punished was from voldo 3BB, which hurts. 1K > step is hard to do for me because of the timing, but it is highly applicable from a technical perspective. I do agree that BS 1A is still hard to deal with because it is so good for mixup and damaging. I think voldo's oki is a weak point though. Chi did better in some of the later matches with oki by catching me with 1B pickup, but I'm pretty sure that is still siderollable in most situations. When voldo is front if you sideroll right you dodge 2A+B (most situations) and if he is in BS he doesn't have much he can do if you roll around a lot. There are some other things we can both do even beyond the punishing changes, but I am not saying all of those heh.
 
The thing is some of the stuff I thought of is also stuff for Voldo to do against Nightmare, but I don't think Chi needs my help yet, he can find stuff on his own.

11K is good yeah, I wonder if it would track voldo for doing his BS grab after the one mid kick move is blocked (I don't know the command, I'll check it out next time I play). I should use it in more places where I think they will try to hit me or mixup for my step G spam.
 
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