Obama wins

harlekein said:
Only time will tell. I hope you are right and I am being paranoid.

I am comparing the way Obama played the people like the way these other leaders played their people. The consequences hopefully will be entirely different, but you cannot look at these basic facts and deny them.
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You can say the same of Churchill, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or any other charismatic leader. I don't find your armchair pop psychology source to be all that convincing either.

The basic facts don't support your conclusions.

For example, people knew Stalin was nuts. The last thing Lenin said was, "Don't let him (Stalin) near power." Stalin quietly quashed that, and seized power anyway. Hitler had clear aims. The stuff they did later was strongly foreshadowed, because they were already nuts.

What has Obama put out there that establishes his agenda as pure evil? Going to church? He's certainly not proposing anything close to what your country has done in terms of socialism etc.

Honestly, I don't see the country suffering with a capable, charismatic, intelligent leader at the helm for the first time in eight years. That's the kind of person you want in charge IMO. At worst, it'll be more of the same.
 
At least he sounds like he is willing to wait and see. I think he made some decent observations, but are not completely indicative - and he admitted to that.

You guys should get off of Obama's nuts already until he actually does something good.

Marginal said:
At worst, it'll be more of the same.
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At least you're optimistic, I guess.
 
Docvizzo- The thing is I don't think it's better regulation if American liberties are endangered(Fairness doctrine anyone?)


Oh and hush with that Fox News nonsense. Everyone loves to accuse them of having a conservative bias. Which they definately do lol...not gonna argue against that. But everyone loves to forget that MSNBC is clearly their liberal counterpart.


At the end of the day I can't say I'm terribly optimistic for the country's futurebut I hope I'm wrong. I can't stand the conservatives who are hoping he "messes up" America during the next 4 years.
 
hey,

didnt want to be offensive or anything :)

But see it like this, the whole world is reliefed that the Bush Era is going to end soon, im not saying McCain would have been bad ( I think he is pretty nice for a republican), but i'll take Obama rather than him :)

And the Obama is a Socialist Stuff is just American-Media-Made Election propaganda ,nobody here in Europe would ever take this into his argumentation. No Media, no TV, even the conservatives, when they reported about it, it was always a "McCain is trying to stoke fears with socialism" Report, nobody here ever took any of this stuff serious.

Everybody here is more than happy with Obama, especially the government ;)

Lets hope for the best.
 
Millionz said:
Oh and hush with that Fox News nonsense. Everyone loves to accuse them of having a conservative bias. Which they definately do lol...not gonna argue against that. But everyone loves to forget that MSNBC is clearly their liberal counterpart.
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No one watches MSNBC. Their influence is quite minor.

Fox News is still the highest rated news network.
 
CNP said:
At least he sounds like he is willing to wait and see. I think he made some decent observations, but are not completely indicative - and he admitted to that.
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The claim that Obama is a socialist is false. It's not a decent observation at all. The claim that Obama is suffering from a narcissistic personality complex is absurd. The idea that he'll end up like Stalin?

We just finished up with a dictatorial president. He claimed more power to himself that the Constitution ever granted. NOW you're afraid that the president who taught Constitutional law (as does his VP) will become dictator for life? *sigh*

You guys should get off of Obama's nuts already until he actually does something good.
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He got elected President of the United States. Stopping Palin from getting anywhere near the office. That's something good right there.
 
McCain's evidence Obama is socialist was that he was for a progressive tax. Instituted by Theodore Roosevelt, an historic Republican figure. Championed by Ronald Reagan, a modern Conservative hero. So if they think progressive taxes are socialist, they only have themselves to blame.

I'm thrilled at the way the national election turned out, by in my home state we re-elected a bigoted, showboating sheriff(Joe Arpaio), re-elected a moronic congressman (Russell Pearce, and I don't use 'moronic' lightly) and decided that our state would be better off by officially declaring certain of its citizens to have less fundamental rights than the rest of us.

But Obama won, so I'm still happy.
 
Jaxel said:
Amazon.com: No Contest: The Case Against Competition: Alfie Kohn: Books
While I don't agree with the majority of this book, it makes some interesting points on how protecting competition and preventing monopolies is yet another problem of government propoganda. The idea of competition in general is what creates this "only look out for ones self" attitude. Competition basically means that you can only suceed at someone else's failures. So in order to not fail, you must fuck everyone else over; and it is in large part the fault of our government for perpetuating this ideology.
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About time Jaxel posted something that could put history teachers to shame.
 
how the hell did all those tags get down there? I swear i didnt put any.
 
I'm glad Obama won. What I'm not glad about is the blacks Shoop Da Whooping and Firin' they lazahs just because Obama won. It's not that big of a deal. A nice combo breaker, admittedly, but nothing to gloat about.

And I'd rather have Hilary as President anyways.
 
I heard the first thing barrack is going to do once he's sworn in, is close down all public pools across America to help get the budget back in order, and to help stop the spread of aids.
 
whitey said:
I heard the first thing barrack is going to do once he's sworn in, is close down all public pools across America to help get the budget back in order, and to help stop the spread of aids.
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If he's not also addressing the toilet seat issue, then the terrorists have won.
 
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