Punishment List

mikosu

mikosu

Goderator of pink hearts
Algol
aB - AA, GS 6A MSH A
1A - WS K, JS 66K
3AA - 4A:A, BB
4AA - duck and WS K
6AAB - 6K or step and punish
11A - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
66A - AA, GS 6A MSH A, 44K
3BB - GS 6A MSH A, 44K, or step and punish
6BBB - AA, GS 6A MSH A
623B - JS 66A, 3B, GS 88B
11B - JS 66AA, 6K
66BA - JS 66AA, 6K
1K - GS 6A MSH A, WS K
4K - GS 6A MSH A, K
6KK - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
WS [K] - duck and WS B
11K - GS 6A MSH A, 6K
A+B - 6K
8A+K - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
6B+K - AA in corner only
QI K - 4A:A, 3B
QI B+K - 6K (must be close)

Amy

Astaroth
6AB - 4A:A, BB
6K - AA, GS 6Aaaaa

Cassandra
236B - BB, 3B
236[ B ] - BB, GS 6Aaaaa

Cervantes
WR A - BB, 3B
3B -
FC A+B -

Darth Vader
3B -

Hilde
1A -
1KK - 6K

Ivy
CL 214B - JS 66AA, GS 66K
CL 214[ B ] ~ SE neutral or step -
CL 214[ B ] ~ SE attack -
WP 6AA -

Kilik
Asura Dance - 4A:A, 3B
JF Asura Dance - BB, GS 6Aaaaa

Lizardman
1AK -
3B -
1K/[K] -
blocked LC A - JS 22_88B/JS JUMP K, GS 88B/JUMP K
LC B - JS 66B, wait for blockstun to end and GS 2A+B beats anything

Maxi
236A - 4A:A, JS 66AA, GS 66K
FC 3AAA - JS 66B, GS 6A MSH A
WS A - 4A:A, 3B
236B - 4A:A, 3B
6BBB - duck and rape him
2KK - FC A
236K - 44K
WS KK - duck and WS B or GS 6A MSH A
A+B - 4A:A, 3B
B+KBBBA - JS 66AA, GS 66K
2B+KB - WS B, 4KB (the 2nd hit of his attack whiffs on block)

Mitsurugi
1A - FC A, GS 6A MSH A
bA - 4A:A, 3B
11_77A - FC A
3B - AA, GS 6A MSH A
4B - AA, GS 6A MSH A
kB - JS 66AA, GS 6A MSH A
33B - 3B, JS 66AA, GS 88B
66BB - JS 66AA, GS 66K
1K - FC A
2KB - JS 33B, GS 88B
4KB - 44K, GS 6A MSH A
A+B - AA, GS 6A MSH A
A+B4_6 - 3B, 6B
FC 1A+B - WS B, 44K
A+K - 44K, GS 6A MSH A
B+K - AA, 44K
RLC A - duck and WS B or GS 6A MSH A
RLC B - BB, 44K

Nightmare
GS A -

Raphael
22_88AA_AB -
VE A -
VE K -

Rock
214AAA -
6K -
6B+K - 4A:A (up close), 6K (if blocked at range)

Seong Mi-Na
AAB - 3B (close), 6K (far)
1A - WS B (close), 6K (far)
2A - 44K
3A (close) - 44K, AA, GS 6A MSH A
4A - 6K
BBB - JS 66AA, GS B+K the last hit
1BA - GS 66K
1BK - 6K
3B - BB, GS 6A MSH A
3bK - 4A:A, GS 6A MSH A
6BB - 6K
1K - 6K, GS 6A MSH A
3KK - duck and GS 6A MSH A or WS B
6K - 44K, GS 6A MSH A
8A+B - 4A:A, 3B

Setsuka
FC 3aB - 3B

Siegfried
SBH K_[K] -

Sophitia
236B - 4A:A, 3B

Taki

Talim

The Apprentice

Tira
1A - 44K
JS 66AA -
WR B -
BT B+KB -

Voldo
CR B -

Xianghua
AAB - JS 66AA, 6K
aKB_1kAAB - WS B or step and punish
aKK_1kAAK - GS 6A MSH A, 44K, or step and punish
1A - FC A
3A - WS B
33_99A - AA
bK - KK
1BB - GS 6A MSH A, BB, throw attempt
3B - AA, GS 6A MSH A
4BB - AA, GS 6A MSH A, or step and punish
6BB - WS B, WS K
11_77BA - 6K
11_77B2A - 6K
22_88B - BB
33_99B - BB, GS B+K the 3rd hit, or GI the 3rd hit
44B - JS 66AA, 6K
1K - GS 6A MSH A, FC A
2K - FC A
6K - GS 6A MSH A, BB4
JUMP K - GS 6A MSH A, BB, throw attempt
11_77K - WS B
33_99KA - duck and WS K
A+B - 4A:A, BB
2A+B - WS B
66A+B - 4A:A, 3B
B+K - GS 6A MSH A, WS K
66B+K - BB, 3B
2A+K2K - FC A
4A+KA - duck and WS B
WS A+B2B - WS B
SXS B (earth and heaven) - GS 6A MSH A, 6K

Yoda

Yoshimitsu
3AB -
3B -
DGF K -

Yun-Seong
CR A+K -

Zasalamel
1AB -
3AB -
WS B - AA, GS 6A MSH A
 
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Tira's best punishers at their respective bs =

GS 44K at -12 ->-14
GS 6AAAA at -14 ->-18
GS 3B at anything else

in JS
JS 44K at -12 -> -14 (most likely headache so shake asap) u will get adv after shake
JS AA at -14 -> -15
JS BB at -16-> -18
JS 3B for anything above that
 
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Nobody suggesting basic K for punishment -13. It's easy, faster than AA, and gives +2 on hit.
 
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Well I'm only listing unsafe moves that people should be able to recognize. Johnny mon listed the punishers correctly for the most part but I disagree with JS 3B. The launch is too small to do much damage unless you chance a mood change from 44K. At anything above -17 I suggest punishing with JS 66AA. K is underestimated and should definitely be used in JS.

Note: Tira has no one answer for all the options in Lizard Crawl. What's listed is a 50/50 that beats the attack options and the aGI.
 
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Yeah, no 44K anywhere on the list.

That's pretty much her best punisher for anything.
 
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I just put 44K for punishing her own 1A. 44K is best for when you're forced crouch and you're opp's around -13. The potential for damage off JS 44K makes it worth going for but the HP loss prevents it from being the best. As for GS 44K you can get better damage off other punishers but for moves that are -12 it's the move to use.
 
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mikosu said:
Well I'm only listing unsafe moves that people should be able to recognize. Johnny mon listed the punishers correctly for the most part but I disagree with JS 3B. The launch is too small to do much damage unless you chance a mood change from 44K. At anything above -17 I suggest punishing with JS 66AA. K is underestimated and should definitely be used in JS.

Note: Tira has no one answer for all the options in Lizard Crawl. What's listed is a 50/50 that beats the attack options and the aGI.
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i always do 44K after JS 3B unless it's CH...I chance the mood change...either way, with the shake i still retain some semblance of adv :)
 
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I just saw the punishment list in Amy's SA. It's really a 6BB and 66B punishment list but I've decided to put down everything punishable, not just staple moves. Punishing everything in a match is unrealistic but the data will be useful.
 
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Amendment to Hilde 1KK: Due to pushback Tira can't punish it well. Your only reliable punishers are GS 3K and 2K (lol).
 
Just finished Amy's. Tira's range can be a issue with punishing but she has enough answers.

And yes you're reading correctly. JS 44[K] has an actual use! It has more range than JS 44K. Who knew?
 
Punishment vid replaces Amy. Old list here for archive:

AB - 44K
1A - WS B, GS 6Aaaaa
4A - GS 6A MSH A, BB
1B - GS 6A MSH A, WS K
3BA - JUMP B in anticipation of the A
6BBB - GS 6A MSH A, 6K, GS B+K the 3rd hit
JUMP B - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
FC 1B - GS 6A MSH A, WS B, 44K
FC 3B - (in corner only) AA, 44K
1KA - duck and WS B or GS 6A MSH A
4KK - AA, 44K
6K - 44K (If she goes into AmS she'll TC it.)
WS K - AA, GS 6A MSH A, 44K
2A+B - FC A
6A+BA - 44K
8A+B - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
FC A+BA - BB, JS 66AA
2B+K - WS B
4B+KB - GS 6A MSH A, BB, GS B+K the last hit
44ABA - duck and WS B
44B - BB, 44[K], 44K (in corner only)
66B+K - 6K, GS 66K
AmS A - 3B, 6B
AmS B MSH B - 6K
AmS KK - GS 6A MSH A, 44K
BP A - GS 6A MSH A, BB
CrF A - FC A
 
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