Setsuka match-up chart

Maxou

Maxou

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Hey guys I saw, everywhere match up chart topics like this one pop up, so us Setsuka player can also be totally cool guys, here ours.

Please discuss, debate. The idea is not to get an exact acurate match up chart but instead to find ideas, to identify problems and the solution of these problems... Sometimes we'll see things and we'll be : "wtf why?" so explaining will be the best solution in order to progress as possible as we can !
I'll post here all the results you'll post here.

General setsuka match up chart : Setsuka vs ...

- Algol
- Amy
- Astaroth
- Cassandra
- Cervantes
- Darth Vader
- Hilde
- Ivy
- Kilik
- Lizardman
- Maxi
- Mitsurugi
- Nightmare
- Raphael
- Rock
- Seong Mi-Na
- Setsuka
- Siegfried
- Sophitia
- Taki
- Talim
- The Apprentice
- Tira
- Voldo
- Xianghua
- Yoda
- Yoshimitsu
- Yun-seong
- Zasalamel

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Here's mine : I know some people will be "wtf" but IMO Setsuka is top tier and she can adapt to pretty much every situations and characters in order to get the upper hand, or at the very least be as strong as them. So yeah, no negatives match up. Feel free to disagree and voice your objections, and the problems/solution you faced when you encountered the characters you find difficult to handle !

Setsuka - character


# - Algol : no idea
# - Amy : 6-4
# - Astaroth : 6-4
# - Cassandra : 6-4
# - Cervantes : 5-5
# - Darth Vader : no idea
# - Hilde : 5-5
# - Ivy : 5-5
# - Kilik : 6-4
# - Lizardman : 6-4
# - Maxi : 6-4
# - Mitsurugi : 5-5
# - Nightmare : 6-4
# - Raphael : 6-4
# - Rock : 6-4
# - Seong Mi-Na : 7-3
# - Setsuka : 5-5
# - Siegfried : 6-4
# - Sophitia : 6-4
# - Taki : 6-4
# - Talim : 7-3
# - The Apprentice : no idea
# - Tira : 6-4
# - Voldo : 5-5
# - Xianghua : 6-4
# - Yoda : no idea
# - Yoshimitsu : 6-4
# - Yun-seong : 6-4
# - Zasalamel : 6-4
 
You know just knowing Setsuka's tools and some of her setups I would agree with u on most if not all of the list since i'm not sure on some matchups. I would disagree wtih 6/4 vs. Kilik though in a heartbeat though and if u need an explanation I could easily give it to u and we could debate.

Outside of that alot of people would expect most characters to have weaknesses that compliment there advantages. But there are some characters in the game that just don't have many weaknesses and I would have to agree with u on Sets.
 
SU : Of course you can develop and give me an explanation ! This is the whole point of this topic. That way we'll focus on difficulties any character can give us. And try to find the solution to those difficulties.

Ring : Setsuka will have more damage opportunities in this match up, Hilde won't damage you appart from FC C2 B / C3 B / C3 A / throw.
Setsuka will damage you with :
- clever step guard (a single move stepped and that's 86 dmg) ... and you know how bad Hilde's antistep are (apart from C3 A and the annoying tracking of C3 B).
- clever use of various move at a disadvantage (best move overall = 6K), you profit from the fact that Hilde doesn't have a lot of advantage (+2 or +3 but not a lot more) on hit and her damaging moves are kinda slow. The risk/reward is for Setsuka here. Exemple : Hilde hits you with WS K, she ends up at +2, 6K prevents her to use her charges/throw, and if you get CH it'll be for low damage.
Of course it requires heavy Hilde knowledge, of course it is risky (you take the risk of being stepped if hilde guesses correctly) but it'll often be more rewarding than risky. And OF COURSE it musn't be used everytime.
- better throws
- she'll prevent Hilde from zoning with her usual tools (33B / 66A / A+K A)
- she'll punish some moves
- A+K A being a VERY good move here. Will cross up against a lot of charges moves and/or make her whiff, it'll get you upclose and a step afterwards if blocked will evade throw + charged B moves + some moves for 86 damage > Go see remark afterwards.
- Let's not forget about Setsuka various lows and frame traps (just forget about 1A:A:A :P)

Setsuka will deal more damage overall. Not everytimes of course, doom combo is broken and she does have good throws ... but more damage overall none the less because there is more damage opportunities.
But... doom combo and charged moves are broken so....

The match is very mind game, very exiting to play from both side, and very ugly to see because one single move stepped can mean the turning point of the match.

Remark : about A+K A. I personaly find the move completely great and kinda broken but Obi (Malek's sparring partner who plays Setsuka) had problem with the move being autoGIed against Hilde. I never had that myself so ... just try it if you can / feel like it.

Sorry for the poor english.
 
As a scruby Setsu player... I have trouble when playing vs defensive Hilde players. I'm not going to pretend like I know Setsuka very well, but I feel like her step is pretty weak. I would often get hit by C2B or C3B where it's easier to avoid it with Ivy for me. I also find step->a:g:b extremely risky. I almost never use it against Hilde because it sucks on block, and in this case I can easily die after one hit. Also, Setsuka's 6K seems like Ivy's SW 1K, but it has less range than Ivy's kick and sometimes it whiffs for me, when there is any pushback. By the way, can Hilde punish Setsu's B+K?

Can you provide any videos of your Setsuka VS Hilde? I'm curious.
 
Well Setsuka's step is not to be underestimated. It is not as good as Ivy's but it's one of the most rewarding in the whole game. So... just like in SC3 her step is super strong.

Step~agB is a no-no against hilde, apart if you step her first A and agB the second (it can happen a few times). Step~B+K is the way to do things since it's more safe (Hilde can punish it with 6A+K but ... that's minus one charge so it gives you precious indications on what to do).

For the videos ... well I cannot provide them for the moment since I am in my hometown, not in the town where I study and have my sparring partners, we need to find something to record it anyway and get brave enough to upload them :D But yes, we WILL post some videos one of these days.
 
I thought I would provide this info in here due to some new findings.

Setsuka vs. Xianghua is a bad matchup for Sets.

1. Xianghua is immune to A+G leaving Setsuka with one throw removing any throw mixup in this matchup. Xianghua is immune to this throw because teching left nulifies the follow up and against left techers she has no damaging tech traps if any.

2. B+K is non-existent in this matchup almost 100% because Xianghua is almost unsteppable in safe terms.
 
Something-Unique said:
I thought I would provide this info in here due to some new findings.

Setsuka vs. Xianghua is a bad matchup for Sets.

1. Xianghua is immune to A+G leaving Setsuka with one throw removing any throw mixup in this matchup. Xianghua is immune to this throw because teching left nulifies the follow up and against left techers she has no damaging tech traps if any.

2. B+K is non-existent in this matchup almost 100% because Xianghua is almost unsteppable in safe terms.
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so you think X has the advantage in this fight? i had this discussion in another thread where the guy was saying Sets has a 7-3 in this fight. he also said Sets throw game was stronger as well but i disagree with both. while i'm not pretending to know Sets i do know X and feel she has a better and more complete throw game and the right tools to even this out if not slightly in her favor.
 
Setsuka beats Cervantes. She punishes his aB with...ak I think? It's a fast little sword swipe, looks high. I don't know anything about her moves, but trust me, she punishes him almost as hard as Sophitia. They both punish great, both great chars but she wins on paper imo
 
i don't know about the X. match up. SU used very good arguments but i still would say this is rather 5-5 then match-up in favor of X. couple of reasons:
-A good use of 4A can really hurt X a lot and can make up for the B+K being stepable. if u use this well the X. player will think twice before stepping sets at close range.
-Sets can also use space extremely well and hit X. with safe moves from a distance where she isn't much of a thread. ok 33B is (again) quite stepable but A+K A and 2366A can also be used to let your opponent watch his step (pun intended).

A lot depends on how well the X players steps and how well the sets players knows how to do something against it.
IMO thats about 50/50 so that explains why i would see this match-up as a 5-5
 
Having a lot of Xiang vs Setsu exp. I can only say that I completely disagree with this match up being adv. X.

And X is only partially immune of the A+G throw.
And X can be stepped quite easily whatever you say.
 
I'm not gonna go crazy over the matchup as Setsuka is still new to me and i'm fairly stiff and I don't have a PS3 to continously stay on point and learn her to her fullest.

But having no throw mixup is huge imo and she is 100% immune to it as long as she tech's left which is the side where 11B does not tech trap and from testing nothing important if any tracked that direction.

Speaking in general terms X is one of the hardest and almost impossible character to step in this game unless ur Hilde but i'm not gonna argue that cause it makes no difference to me.

It may be exactly like arcanis8787 said in that the matchup is actually 5/5 but I don't see how it could be a 6/4 in Setsuka's favor with such a major failure as having no throw mixup options when X is solid enough in this game that she can even out almost all her matchups.
 
If you say so. IMO your X experience must be very limited for you to say so.

You should take in consideration numerous things :
- At most of Setsuka's tip range moves 214(delay)~3B:B take cares of almost 90% of her move list she cannot attack, only with 3B (and you take the risk to be stepped and lose 90dmg) and 2*B.
- 8WR (yes you can 8WR with Setsuka) to X's right avoid a lot of her moves. The dangerous ones.
- WS A+B is punished by WS 3A+B (or umbrella of course).
- 44B is very dangerous against Setsuka.
- Stance is very dangerous against Setsuka.
- A+K B is very good against Xiang (after low adv. moves or low disadv. moves she can't do a lot of things apart from WS K because of A+K B... and when she does she takes the risk to be stepped).
- Lot of TC tools and dangerous ones so no random AAB for you, and 66A becomes dangerous.
- A+G side throw make a lot of damage. This is why she is partially immune whatever you may say. She still has throw/mid mix up. Even front A+G throw is good.
- 11A is very good against Xiang.
- jump is very good against X (but not a lot of people knows that).
- umbrella is very good against X.
- Setsuka's damage >> X's damage.
- X's 3A and X's 1A are bad against Setsuka. Even on hit.
- X have very few answers to mid-long range turtling.
- X's FC 3B is bugued against Setsuka allowing weird whiffs to happen, even though it should hit.
- X have very limited tools to hit an opponent who stays OTG.
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Double post and a little bit of Setsuka information for S-U :

Besides for everycharacter that are A+G "immune" they need to raise up immediatly in order to avoid the A+K B follow up. But when they do, they expose themselves to a dash~throw (can't be avoided if they want to avoid the A+K B follow up) ... and the throw will be a left side throw (65 dmg and BT mix up afterwards) making the front A+G throw 85 dmg (of course you can break it but you get my point, the fear of the 85 dmg will make them try to do something different than teching left, hence the follow up IS still very good).

For middle sized character... it isn't a problem. The follow up is still there, you just need to see if there is a side change or not, and if there is you make the umbrella like you were on the other side. Not that hard if you know that.
 
Setsu vs Xiang is in Setsu's favor. You can ask kayane about that :P ... but don't ask belial about Setsu - Mitsu !
 
LOL!

Why not? Mitsu owns her, hehe?
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There are no vids of me beating kayane but ALAS there is one vid of me getting owned by Belial (the match is completely one sided, I played very bad).
 
For those of you who cares, here is a recent match up list chart. I believe it is pretty accurate... Some remark in the parenthesis.

# - Algol : no idea
# - Amy : 6-4 (I believe it 5-5 for various reasons but Belial and other french guys say it is 6-4... well perhaps)
# - Astaroth : 6,5-3,5
# - Cassandra : 6-4
# - Cervantes : 6-4
# - Darth Vader : no idea
# - Hilde : 2,5-7,5 (yeah no kidding, from 5-5 to this. I was a fool.)
# - Ivy : 5,5-4,5
# - Kilik : 6-4 (Setsuka can overpower him. Not that hard of a match up. His best tools are all flawed in this match up)
# - Lizardman : 6-4 (Setsuka gain additional throw range against Lizardman. Weird thing but well... I won't complain. 236~throw kills this match up)
# - Maxi : 6-4
# - Mitsurugi : 6-4
# - Nightmare : 7-3 (most probably 6,5-3,5. Night is a good character but he suffers from various thing against Setsuka. Being unsafe is not the worst. He just doesn't have enough good, safe, damaging mids)
# - Raphael : 6-4
# - Rock : 7,5-2,5 or 8-2 (most probably 8-2. Rock's horrible against Setsuka.)
# - Seong Mi-Na : 7-3
# - Setsuka : ---- (the mirror match is very hard. Setsuka doesn't have any fucking tools against herself haha)
# - Siegfried : 6-4
# - Sophitia : 6-4
# - Taki : 6-4 (only a guess. Never played against a serious Taki. Lacked the chance to play against Rikimaru at Cannes :/)
# - Talim : 6,5-3,5
# - The Apprentice : no idea
# - Tira : 6-4
# - Voldo : 5-5 (actually a very good character against Setsuka. Especially on 1P :) )
# - Xianghua : 6-4
# - Yoda : no idea
# - Yoshimitsu : 6-4
# - Yun-seong : 6-4
# - Zasalamel : 6-4 (it's only a guess. I never played against a serious Zasalamel)
 
"(the mirror match is very hard. Setsuka doesn't have any fucking tools against herself haha)"

You know, I wrote something similar for the guide thing I'm making. =p
 
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