Shred apart! Ivy Punishment Charts

our 3B destroys his 3 (B) unless my sieg guy is doing something very very wrong. steps the B and K and it's faster than the A. CH on all 3.
 
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That only works when Siegfried is very close to Ivy. Also 3B trades with SCH A. Siegfried can avoid Ivy's 3B with chief hold side step (2_8B+K)
 
Be careful with Ivy 3B against Sieg 3(B). Ivy 3B isn't faster than SCH A it trades with A, you will still get a guaranteed 6B8 though. Siegfried can bait Ivy 3B with his 3(B) and do a 2B+K.

Edit: lol nvm Ring answered, while I was writing this.
Edit 2: Don't know if it's the best solution: Try backstepping, wait for him to do something and whiff punish; this beats all his options. Be careful of SCH KK the 2nd has to be ducked even after backstep.
 
Don't forget Siegfried can also do 3(B), 6, SCH K which will track and beat out Ivy's 3B. It's especially dangerous when he uses the BE version.
 
Here's the Ivy punishment chart:

AA: duck 2nd hit FC 1B,6B8
(A): duck 2nd hit FC 1B,6B8*/ duck 2nd hit FC 1(B),6B8/ 6B8K*
6AK: duck 2nd hit FC 1B
6(A): 6B8K*/66B BE*/6A (at tip range not for Ivy punishable)
3(A): 6B8K*/ 1B BE,6KB*/ CE*/ 6A
1A: FC 2B*
214A: duck punish of choice/ interrupt of choice/ 214A
WR (A): at close range this whiffs: whiff punish of choice
9A: 6B8K
(B): SSL_SSR punish of choice/ WR B/ 66A/ 66B BE
bK: 6B8K
6B8: 6B8K/1B BE,6KB*/ CE*/ late hit not punishable
6B8K: 6B8K
6(B)2_8: 3B+K,3B+K (range dependant)/ 8_9B+K,6B8 (range dependant)/ 6(B+K)/ the farther you are from Ivy the more difficult it becomes to punish this move/ at tip range safe
214B: 6B8K*/JG 2nd hit 1B BE*/ JG 2nd hit CE*/ JG 2nd hit 66B BE/ JG 2nd hit 66A
FC 1B: 6B8K
FC 1(B): 6B8K
FC 1(B)B: 2nd hit whiffs; whiff punish of choice
7B: 6B8
8_9B: 6B8K
6KB: if you're not at kissing range 2nd hit whiffs; whiff punish of choice
6KBK: if you're not at kissing range 2nd hit whiffs; whiff punish of choice/ 3rd hit always whiffs; whiff punish of choice
2K: WR K
1K: FC 1(B)B,6B8
FC 2K: WR K
BT 2K: WR K
A+B: BB/ 1B BE,6KB
6A+B: interrupt of choice (don't forget that she backsteps)
3A+B: SSR_SSL punish of choice
3A+BB: JG 6B8K*/ JG 1B BE,6KB*/ JG CE*/ JG 66A/ JG 66B BE
3A+BB(slighlty charged): JG 6B8K*/ JG 1B BE,6KB*/ JG CE*/ JG 66A/ JG 66B BE
1A+B: 6B8K
4A+BB: SSL_SSR punish of choice
4A+BB(with aGI): you can GI the "B"/66A*/after the aGI you can still JG if the A+B doesn't hit you: JG the "B" 6B8K*/ JG the "B" 66B BE*/ JG the "B" CE*/ JG the "B" 2_3B+K,2_3B+K/ JG the "B" 8B+K,6B8
8A+B: 6B8K/ 1B BE,6KB*
8A+BB: when first hit doesn't hit 6B8K*/ 66B BE/ 66A/ (B)
8A+B(B): 3B+K,3B+K/ 8B+K,6B8/ 6(B+K)
WR A+BA: duck 2nd hit FC 1B,6B8
B+K: JG 2nd hit SSL_SSR punish of choice/ JG 3rd hit 6(A)
7B+K: 3B+K,3B+K/ 8B+K,6B8/ 6(B+K)
WR B+K: JG 2nd hit 6B8K/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE,6KB
BT B+K: JG 2nd hit 6B8K/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE,6KB
66(A): 6B8/ JG 2nd hit 6B8K/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE/ JG 2nd hit CE/ at tip range 2nd hit whiffs; whiff punish of choice
11_77A: 66B BE*/ WR B*
44(A): 6B8K*/ 6(A)/ at tip range not punishable
22(B): 6B8K*
22(B)B: 6B8K/ 1B BE,6KB
22(B)BB: 6B8K/ 1B BE,6KB
22(B)BBB: 6B8K/ 1B BE,6KB
22(B) B : B : B : B: 6B8K/ 1B BE,6KB
44(B)B: 6B8/ JG 1B BE,6KB/ JG CE
44(B)BB: 3rd hit whiffs; whiff punish of choice
22_88K: 1(B)B,6B8
44_11_77K: FC 2B
44A+B: 6B8K
44(A+B)(slightly charged): 6B8K
44(A+B): SSL punish of choice
44B+K: SSL_SSR punish of choice
44B+KB: JG 2nd hit 6B8K*/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE,6KB*/ JG 2nd hit CE*/ JG 2nd hit 66A/ JG 2nd hit 66B BE
44B+K(slightly charged):SSR punish of choice/ JG 2nd hit 6B8K*/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE,6KB*/ JG 2nd hit CE*/ JG 2nd hit 66A/ JG 2nd hit 66B BE
Run K: FC 1B,6B8
1B BE: SSR punish of choice/ JG 2nd hit 6B8K/ JG 2nd hit 66A/ JG 2nd hit 66B BE
66B BE: JG 2nd hit 6B8K/ JG 2nd hit 1B BE
22B BE: JG 2nd hit 2B+K,3B+K
 
Not to be totally annoying, but DAMN, Ivy's list is like 3X that of the others. =P Is this a joke?
 
It just says to me that Ivy may have a larger move list, but she is not in any way considered safe... (Which was my worry early release with her)
 
It depends on how you use most moves. A lot of moves get depending on the match up at tip range safe. Imo she can be played annoyingly safe.
 
I just need to amp up my judgement as for when to throw them out, I end up getting hit badly due to mis judging ranges.
 
ZDamned said:
I just need to amp up my judgement as for when to throw them out, I end up getting hit badly due to mis judging ranges.
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Amen. I don't know how people fight at tip range with her, since whiffing even one of her mid range moves = death.
 
^it's possible, depending on how your opponent spaces and what character he uses. I don't even bother hitting NM at tip range with Ivy's mid-range tools. Especially against those NM type players, who are trying to bait a whiff all the time.
 
Yes, but if you try to punish his 3B with 1B BE, and he delays the second BE hit, you die.

Something interesting vs Xiba. When I first did his punishment list, 6BK or 6BK BE could only be interrupted with Ivy's 6KB at far range, but now I did some testing again and it seems 6KB completely rapes his transitions after 6B and 6A at any range for a free 55-60 dmg.So either I was wrong, or my Xiba chart was pre-patch.

On top of that, 6KB is a forced block on Xiba (he cannot duck the B part) so we don't risk whiff punishment here! Really cool.

Another option is to 2A every time after 6B and 6A, he ends up BTed so we get a throw/FC1B mixup.

Xiba's 6A is so good VS Ivy =/ it has sick range and speed, kills backdash and step, and combos for 80dmg on a CH with BE (which is hit-confirmable)
 
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