Possession
[08] Mercenary
Well, I don't know if you noticed, but I forgot to add /sarcasm. Unless you were being sarcastic yourself.
Soul Cal 4 for the arcade?
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Well, I don't know if you noticed, but I forgot to add /sarcasm. Unless you were being sarcastic yourself.
joulisians
[08] Mercenary
Locally, In Singapore, arcade is still a tradition.
BlackDragon37
[12] Conqueror
Then you're part of a minority.
The western world preaches efficiency in almost every way of life. In which case, consoles beat arcades anytime in that department.
Unlike in countries like Japan, arcades aren't seen as social places.
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
arcades are much better than consoles.... people just think its shameful or childish to goto them here.... in japan you will see 50 year old business men in suits whipping your ass in tekken lol... they also play alot in Korea, Singapore, and Austrailia... Austrailia i had some of the best tekken fights ever... but were mostly asians on vacation haha
BlackDragon37
[12] Conqueror
How are arcades better than consoles?
no lag which provides REAL matches, money matches, socializing, getting out, general fun outside of your fucking apartment or house
something the mountain dew guzzling WoW generation seems to avoid
BlackDragon37
[12] Conqueror
And yet, you can do all those on a console.
What else?
What else?
pixel09
[09] Warrior
Must be I guess. I know at the arcade over here it's not uncommon for old people and some actually decent looking girls to come into. Now and then I've seen people that look like they just got out of a wedding or prom, all dressed up to play games, lol.
Very few Asians here, though. It's mostly populated with Latinos.
I'd definitely encourage subscribing to The Stinger Report for the latest happenings on the out of home amusement industry.
ooberallen
[09] Warrior
Like I said, and what I think lain was trying to say is that its a social experience. Sure you can do that at home with a few friends but you won't get out to face other competition. I doubt you'd want to let random people off the street in your home to play Tekken on your PS3. As for online its nothing compared to offline. The only socializing online fighting games encourage is sending messages to players calling them "cheap spamming fags" because beat you by mashing AA BB AA BB AA BB AA BB.
joulisians
[08] Mercenary
I would say its a different culture in different countries.
In Singapore, most of our members in the local community have got consoles. But still chooses to visit the arcade. As what ooberallen says, hosting console sessions for your own friends is not the same, you do not get enough competition and exposure to the different kind of game plays, unless you are telling me your console sessions have got 729837450284 people visiting at one time.
The last SBO was played on Arcade Version, which puts a lot of Western players, who plays only console, in a major disadvantage. One very good example is Linkrkc (Whom I worship, I have a Shrine of him at my place [just kidding]).
In Singapore, most of our members in the local community have got consoles. But still chooses to visit the arcade. As what ooberallen says, hosting console sessions for your own friends is not the same, you do not get enough competition and exposure to the different kind of game plays, unless you are telling me your console sessions have got 729837450284 people visiting at one time.
The last SBO was played on Arcade Version, which puts a lot of Western players, who plays only console, in a major disadvantage. One very good example is Linkrkc (Whom I worship, I have a Shrine of him at my place [just kidding]).
ShenYu
[11] Champion
It's an issue of finding as many different players as you can. Here, it's hard to accomodate anything more than 4/5 people at the same time in one session. And like, are you even willing to do that on a semi-regular basis? It's simply easier in that it doesn't require nearly as much planning to visit an arcade for your comp.
Wow...
well i dont know about you guys,
but the arcade at the local mall i go to has almost no one in it half the time.
BUT
if you were to pop in some quarters in the Capcom vs(not marvel, but i forgot the name)
and win more than 3 rounds against the computer SOMEONE will come up and start playing you.
now we have a sol-cal machine also, but no one really plays that ....
I hope Solcal 4 will hit arcades
well i dont know about you guys,
but the arcade at the local mall i go to has almost no one in it half the time.
BUT
if you were to pop in some quarters in the Capcom vs(not marvel, but i forgot the name)
and win more than 3 rounds against the computer SOMEONE will come up and start playing you.
now we have a sol-cal machine also, but no one really plays that ....
I hope Solcal 4 will hit arcades
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
In arcades in japan i could play people in soul cal... guilty gear and tekken all day! and never get bored... and I almost never played anyone that totally sucked.... The competition is just better in arcades and its alot of fun knowing someone is sitting on the otherside and at any moment he could get up and come slap you because you beat him so bad haha :) Thats just one arcade... most all the time there are teams or local groups that consider that arcade their territory so when you go in as an outsider and you start getting some wins then usually that local crew will come up and try to beat you from lowest guy to hardest guy... Ive even been asked to be a part of arcade teams there and was part of one... It was some of the funnest times i've ever had playing a video game and its a shame i cant really expierience that feeling here in the U.S.
DoctaMario
[08] Mercenary
I've been playing fighting games since Street Fighter 2 came out. The arcade is the ESSENCE of fighting games because there's an unlimited source of competition. I got REALLY good at SF2 games, MK, SNK games, etc, because I was playing against other people in the arcade all the time.
Not only that, you could get tips from other players while hanging out watching the games. Someone might overhear you talking to someone else about how you have trouble facing X character and say, "Hey, have you tried this?" The fighting game community always supported each other in the arcade because when your competition got better YOU GOT BETTER. And everyone wants to get better.
Sure you'd have your spammers, but most people played honorably because if not, everyone knew them by face and they'd be ostracized. The essence of fighting games is multiplayer but unfortunately, gaming has become much more of a solo pursuit for most people.
Playing online doesn't count. For all you know, it could be some computer you're connected to that spams Kilik moves. You're still sitting there by yourself. I'm talking about playing with someone right there next to you. There are no consequences for spamming or playing badly online because it's a solo thing. Most of the time it's not about the best possible experience for BOTH players, it's more akin to a fuck in an alley and who can come first leaving the other player to wonder what the hell just happened.
Like other people have said here, it was social too. You made new friends, friends that had some of the same interests as you, and maybe you'd meet up at the arcade the next weekend and kick the crap out of each other at SF2 or Samurai Shodown, just for kicks.
I don't think we can blame the newer generation of gamers for anything. It's not like they single-handedly killed arcade gaming in the US. They like what they like and there's nothing wrong with that. They're being raised differently than some of us older gamers (I'm 29) were, and competition doesn't seem to be as encouraged.
Maybe we stopped going to the arcades after awhile, thought we were "too old" for it. I know that when I moved away from the arcade I used to go to, it was rare when I visited it. There were a few in the new town I lived, but no real competition. Maybe that's why the arcades aren't doing as well and need to have endless light gun and dance games in them, because WE stopped going.
I've never played a SC game in an arcade because I can never find one. And because of that, I don't feel like I'll be anywhere near as good at SC as I was at SF, MK, or any of the SNK games no matter how much I practice because I don't have that real life competition to force me to get better. But hopefully I'll be able to get in with some players around where I live and start playing competitively with them because that would be one of the best gaming experiences I've had in YEARS even if I get my ass whooped in the first 10 seconds.
Not only that, you could get tips from other players while hanging out watching the games. Someone might overhear you talking to someone else about how you have trouble facing X character and say, "Hey, have you tried this?" The fighting game community always supported each other in the arcade because when your competition got better YOU GOT BETTER. And everyone wants to get better.
Sure you'd have your spammers, but most people played honorably because if not, everyone knew them by face and they'd be ostracized. The essence of fighting games is multiplayer but unfortunately, gaming has become much more of a solo pursuit for most people.
Playing online doesn't count. For all you know, it could be some computer you're connected to that spams Kilik moves. You're still sitting there by yourself. I'm talking about playing with someone right there next to you. There are no consequences for spamming or playing badly online because it's a solo thing. Most of the time it's not about the best possible experience for BOTH players, it's more akin to a fuck in an alley and who can come first leaving the other player to wonder what the hell just happened.
Like other people have said here, it was social too. You made new friends, friends that had some of the same interests as you, and maybe you'd meet up at the arcade the next weekend and kick the crap out of each other at SF2 or Samurai Shodown, just for kicks.
I don't think we can blame the newer generation of gamers for anything. It's not like they single-handedly killed arcade gaming in the US. They like what they like and there's nothing wrong with that. They're being raised differently than some of us older gamers (I'm 29) were, and competition doesn't seem to be as encouraged.
Maybe we stopped going to the arcades after awhile, thought we were "too old" for it. I know that when I moved away from the arcade I used to go to, it was rare when I visited it. There were a few in the new town I lived, but no real competition. Maybe that's why the arcades aren't doing as well and need to have endless light gun and dance games in them, because WE stopped going.
I've never played a SC game in an arcade because I can never find one. And because of that, I don't feel like I'll be anywhere near as good at SC as I was at SF, MK, or any of the SNK games no matter how much I practice because I don't have that real life competition to force me to get better. But hopefully I'll be able to get in with some players around where I live and start playing competitively with them because that would be one of the best gaming experiences I've had in YEARS even if I get my ass whooped in the first 10 seconds.
Cabbie
[09] Warrior
I think Talim_JP posted a Japanese survey where people can request for SCIV Arcade Edition. Taxi went out of his way to translate moon language so we gaijin barbarians can pretend to be nippon-jin and tell NAMCO we want Soru Kariba arkeido edishion desu.
http://www.8wayrun.com/f21/namco-jp-sciv-questionnaire-t543/
http://www.8wayrun.com/f21/namco-jp-sciv-questionnaire-t543/
Hey, I live in Melbourne, where were you playing Tekken?
A large chunk of our hardcore community comprises of HK students studying here, but the Tekken scene right now is pretty varied. Tekken 6 gets a lot more play than any other fighters we have around here.
powerincarnate
[08] Mercenary
I too am in agreement that there is basically nothing that the Arcades can bring us that the consoles can't. Sometimes people need to get off their high horse (and I'll stick to that theme for a while) and realize this.
When arcades were at their peak, there were a great difference between what was available at the arcades and what was available on the NES, SNES/Genesis, and even what was available on the 32 bit systems. There was always a drop in graphics, color, framerate. There were always shortcuts taken (ie.. when you punched someone to the next floor in MK3, see the difference between arcade and the consoles). At that point, there was a need for the arcades.
Once we were able to get very close approximation of the arcade in the 32 bit days, and were able to get nearly perfect port and in the case of Soul Calibur, a better than the arcade port for the 128 bit systems. It was over for the arcades. Now, with internet, and the ability to play a pretty damn good match, if your connection is great with your opponent, then the last hope for the arcades just went the way of the dinosaur.
People talk about spending 40-60 bucks per weekend on the arcade. Problem is, that is basically a new game every week. YOU might be able to afford it, or better yet, be willing to afford it, but no way I'm gonna be spending the price of a new game every week, to play a game that I already own, and I can play any time I want for free. People talk about people with business suits playing, whether that is true or not, is irrelevant to the US market. This just doesn't occur here. Your best hope is if a father brings his son to Dave and Busters or something like that for his birthday, and decide to play with him for a brief period of time while still his suit. Otherwise, totally wrong demographics here.
Again, with 40, 50 inch 1080P TVs, Widescreen at that, Consoles that cost (at one point 600 bucks, or 500 bucks, now 400 or 300 bucks, plus the cost of internet connection, the 60 bucks for a game. You better believe that A. My setup can rival an arcade setup, and B. You better believe I'm not gonna be spending 60 bucks every weekend to do what I can do at home. The only advantage now arcade holds is the ability to play random people (even assuming your local place has an arcade and has a fighting game scene) with lag free offline play. But back when I was in college, we easily did the "bring the console to the lounge, and get everyone on the floor, or the next floor, or the next building around and have a little tournament thing".
So people bring up Japan. This is probably the sign of why there is a big disconnect between fighting game fanatics and everyday people. Are you kidding me??? For a working person like me, I'm gonna take a week or 2 off, fly 18, 19, 20 hours or whatever it is to Japan, pay the 8, 9, 1000+ dollar flight, and find a hotel for a week or two(to really enjoy the time) just so i can play a video game at the arcades??? My 2 week vacation per year will be much better served in the carribean, or the Southeast US coast, or Europe, or even relaxing at home. And assuming you had a good time in Japan, you would probably would want to go more than once per year, so imagine taking more than one trip, just to play a video game. A lot of us LOVE fighting games, A LOT of us LOVE games period, some of us like Myself, grew up with them since the NES days, some of us were part of the local scene during the Street Fighter 2, alpha, capcom vs. heyday of fighting games but most, 99% or more of us will definitely NOT be going to Japan just to play a game. IF what I said can't "click" in then there is definitely a HIGH HORSE. I'm also a part of many communities, including non fighting games like Team Fortress 2, and in May, We setup a LAN party in Windsor Canada (it could have been anywhere but we wanted more centrally so it wasn't a long travel for most people) and everyone had fun. Your computer is basically a console, and something similar could easily be done with the consoles. But this is the type of thing that would be the MOST that most people would be willing to do just for a game. Anything beyond and your virtually eliminating a near 100% of the people that plays the game.
Another example of High Horse, beyond the 60 bucks per weekend, and travel to Japan chants i see. Fighting games are already more of a hardcore thing, but in this website, people write things with the 123456789 notation. The game doesn't use such notation, the directions like the ones use on Virtua Fighter.com is much better and easier, so Why make it harder on yourself. It is like a no brainer that isn't being taken. Your job is to expand the community, not to make it exclusive. Get off your high horse and make the switch. Same goes for easily being able to go and check a characters movelist. Again, a la Virtuafighter or Tekkenzaibatsu.com. A lot Soulcalibur (or now caliburforum.com for Soul calibur 2 arcade). I understand the problems you guys had with that website and the need to form this new website. Well, now that you did, get these things in order.
When arcades were at their peak, there were a great difference between what was available at the arcades and what was available on the NES, SNES/Genesis, and even what was available on the 32 bit systems. There was always a drop in graphics, color, framerate. There were always shortcuts taken (ie.. when you punched someone to the next floor in MK3, see the difference between arcade and the consoles). At that point, there was a need for the arcades.
Once we were able to get very close approximation of the arcade in the 32 bit days, and were able to get nearly perfect port and in the case of Soul Calibur, a better than the arcade port for the 128 bit systems. It was over for the arcades. Now, with internet, and the ability to play a pretty damn good match, if your connection is great with your opponent, then the last hope for the arcades just went the way of the dinosaur.
People talk about spending 40-60 bucks per weekend on the arcade. Problem is, that is basically a new game every week. YOU might be able to afford it, or better yet, be willing to afford it, but no way I'm gonna be spending the price of a new game every week, to play a game that I already own, and I can play any time I want for free. People talk about people with business suits playing, whether that is true or not, is irrelevant to the US market. This just doesn't occur here. Your best hope is if a father brings his son to Dave and Busters or something like that for his birthday, and decide to play with him for a brief period of time while still his suit. Otherwise, totally wrong demographics here.
Again, with 40, 50 inch 1080P TVs, Widescreen at that, Consoles that cost (at one point 600 bucks, or 500 bucks, now 400 or 300 bucks, plus the cost of internet connection, the 60 bucks for a game. You better believe that A. My setup can rival an arcade setup, and B. You better believe I'm not gonna be spending 60 bucks every weekend to do what I can do at home. The only advantage now arcade holds is the ability to play random people (even assuming your local place has an arcade and has a fighting game scene) with lag free offline play. But back when I was in college, we easily did the "bring the console to the lounge, and get everyone on the floor, or the next floor, or the next building around and have a little tournament thing".
So people bring up Japan. This is probably the sign of why there is a big disconnect between fighting game fanatics and everyday people. Are you kidding me??? For a working person like me, I'm gonna take a week or 2 off, fly 18, 19, 20 hours or whatever it is to Japan, pay the 8, 9, 1000+ dollar flight, and find a hotel for a week or two(to really enjoy the time) just so i can play a video game at the arcades??? My 2 week vacation per year will be much better served in the carribean, or the Southeast US coast, or Europe, or even relaxing at home. And assuming you had a good time in Japan, you would probably would want to go more than once per year, so imagine taking more than one trip, just to play a video game. A lot of us LOVE fighting games, A LOT of us LOVE games period, some of us like Myself, grew up with them since the NES days, some of us were part of the local scene during the Street Fighter 2, alpha, capcom vs. heyday of fighting games but most, 99% or more of us will definitely NOT be going to Japan just to play a game. IF what I said can't "click" in then there is definitely a HIGH HORSE. I'm also a part of many communities, including non fighting games like Team Fortress 2, and in May, We setup a LAN party in Windsor Canada (it could have been anywhere but we wanted more centrally so it wasn't a long travel for most people) and everyone had fun. Your computer is basically a console, and something similar could easily be done with the consoles. But this is the type of thing that would be the MOST that most people would be willing to do just for a game. Anything beyond and your virtually eliminating a near 100% of the people that plays the game.
Another example of High Horse, beyond the 60 bucks per weekend, and travel to Japan chants i see. Fighting games are already more of a hardcore thing, but in this website, people write things with the 123456789 notation. The game doesn't use such notation, the directions like the ones use on Virtua Fighter.com is much better and easier, so Why make it harder on yourself. It is like a no brainer that isn't being taken. Your job is to expand the community, not to make it exclusive. Get off your high horse and make the switch. Same goes for easily being able to go and check a characters movelist. Again, a la Virtuafighter or Tekkenzaibatsu.com. A lot Soulcalibur (or now caliburforum.com for Soul calibur 2 arcade). I understand the problems you guys had with that website and the need to form this new website. Well, now that you did, get these things in order.
powerincarnate
[08] Mercenary
I remember discussing something on virtuafighter.com about sales of VF5. One thing I brought up, was the tendency of some virtua fighter games to make moves difficult, for no apparent reason. For example, K+G release G within 1 frame to do Akiras Knee. Why make a move that 99% of the people cannot get out at crucial time just because. Their response were, maybe some of us hardcore people like a challenge. My response was, I'm not asking your to make complex combos easier. Hardcore people will always be able to perform stuff that normal people can't. BUT when 1 simple move, not a combo, can't be reliably performed even 10% of the time by 99% of the people, then your sir have a problem. When your game, have the reputation of being hard, stiff, and other adjectives, the least you can do is lighten things up a bit (which VF4, and even more VF5 did big time). Most new people go to the training and tries to learn someones movelist. And when they get stuck on simple movelist, ones not even part of a combo, then they simply move away from said character.
Get what I'm saying, though I went on a tangent. For years Fighting game fans were anti evolution. They unlike all other genres are against evolving over the years. They still cling to Arcade, when we all know Arcades aren't gonna come back. Despite the ability to have game updates, to have game patches, to have arcade quality graphics. Perfect framerates and stuff. They are often anti consoles like it is a plague. They'll cling for needlessly making a simple move difficult, something that does more to divide us than unite us. They will often talk about simply go to Japan, when half of the people are underage, stuck with college responsibilities or life responsibilities afterwards. How about we discuss ways to build the community locally. How about getting the name of all the local PSN or LIVE players so you can get a good connection. How about setting up a mini lan party around local or regional players. Embrace people to capture their matches, and putting them on youtube. Embrace helping people get better with some characters. Don't do things like, if someone makes a page, I know it is early, but so far what does the tiers look like, and the response is, well teirs take 3, 4 months to show up so you can just close this thread or other high horse like comments. The person clearly said, I know it is early, but so far what do you guys think. He clearly stated or implied that he knows it is not final. So why the need to respond that way. Get it?? Unite, not Divide.
Get what I'm saying, though I went on a tangent. For years Fighting game fans were anti evolution. They unlike all other genres are against evolving over the years. They still cling to Arcade, when we all know Arcades aren't gonna come back. Despite the ability to have game updates, to have game patches, to have arcade quality graphics. Perfect framerates and stuff. They are often anti consoles like it is a plague. They'll cling for needlessly making a simple move difficult, something that does more to divide us than unite us. They will often talk about simply go to Japan, when half of the people are underage, stuck with college responsibilities or life responsibilities afterwards. How about we discuss ways to build the community locally. How about getting the name of all the local PSN or LIVE players so you can get a good connection. How about setting up a mini lan party around local or regional players. Embrace people to capture their matches, and putting them on youtube. Embrace helping people get better with some characters. Don't do things like, if someone makes a page, I know it is early, but so far what does the tiers look like, and the response is, well teirs take 3, 4 months to show up so you can just close this thread or other high horse like comments. The person clearly said, I know it is early, but so far what do you guys think. He clearly stated or implied that he knows it is not final. So why the need to respond that way. Get it?? Unite, not Divide.