Why do people spam

KingZeal said:
Personally, I disagree. There's no excuse for quitting, even if you're losing against someone who's whoring mixup under lag.

I also disagree that fighting those types of people won't make you better. Lag is lag, but someone who just uses mixup (with the best mixup character in the game I might add) just teaches you to have better defense.
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i disagree, mixups is one thing but whoring slow lows something else. for example i'm fine with fighting mitsu... i know you have to guess up close whether it be online/offline but if the connection isn't great and hes really whoring stuff like 1a then its a major advantage they get. you can't react fast enough... hes now got a ranged 2k,b (another words a low you have to guess). all those 1a's you would have blocked would have left you at advantage and given you a chance to respond with your own mixup or whatever. but now you are eating all those 1a's and you're on the ground. hes now in your face and that situation should not have happened and hes at a major advantange.

if they are whoring stuff they use offline then i have no problems with it. if they are whoring stuff just because if works online to gain a major advantage then it annoys me.

if i can't block mitsu/soph/asta/NM/cerv etc. 1a on reaction at all and they whore it then i'll draw the line and quit. if i can get somewhat close to blocking it then ill stay and play. if the person seems like a decent player and is playing as he would offline even when the connection is less than ideal then i'd also stay.

i don't see how playing lag tactics can improve your defense at all... it will improve your mind game for that particular person in that specific situation but thats about it.
 
ojste said:
i don't see how playing lag tactics can improve your defense at all... it will improve your mind game for that particular person in that specific situation but thats about it.
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Exactly.

So, this guy does BB, 1A, 1A, 1A, then 66BB. But THIS guy does 66BB, 1A, 66BB, 1A, 2KB!

It's barely a "mind game." On both ends, all it is is simple guessing. Even against the same player, there's no guarantee he's gonna do that followup 1A while you're on the ground; he might get clever/random and do 66BB. And because the lag makes it more difficult to punish aggressive people on demand, they'll continue using these mixup with little fear of repercussions.

Unless you get him in your aggressive "mind games" first. What fun.

Quit the match.
 
I usually just make my own room in Player Match and kick people who are spamming. The reason being I want to learn this game deeper than that. I don't want to have to "Prove spamming doesn't work." Spammers for the most part are the same as trolls on forums, if you feed them, they'll continue. If you refuse to play with people who do that, you'll make them want to play less and less, or learn their characters better.

EDIT: Also, I agree that it usually is a guessing game with spammers. Why bother?
 
people spam because it works for them. They think they will keep winning. If spammer guy X wins 6 out of 10 matches spamming hes thinking to himself, " wow im good, my tactics work"

They will never change unless they get beaten frequently. Unfortunately most of the people online are horrible so the spammers aren't losing lots of matches, most of the time their tactics are working.

Also, when they get hammered really hard or RO'd constantly they tend to drop matches. lol sometimes send messages.

The messages are my favorite part!
 
KingZeal said:
Personally, I disagree. There's no excuse for quitting, even if you're losing against someone who's whoring mixup under lag.

I also disagree that fighting those types of people won't make you better. Lag is lag, but someone who just uses mixup (with the best mixup character in the game I might add) just teaches you to have better defense.
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I dropped a ranked match that slid down to 1 bar after round 1 and never recovered. If I hadn't, I'd still be playing it. Slowest, assiest match I've ever seen online.
 
Clavaat said:
I usually just make my own room in Player Match and kick people who are spamming. The reason being I want to learn this game deeper than that. I don't want to have to "Prove spamming doesn't work." Spammers for the most part are the same as trolls on forums, if you feed them, they'll continue. If you refuse to play with people who do that, you'll make them want to play less and less, or learn their characters better.

EDIT: Also, I agree that it usually is a guessing game with spammers. Why bother?
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Ah, another pussy who kicks people from his game if they don't play the way you want them to. All the while thinking you are learning this game at a deep level, when actually you're creating a big Achilles heel for yourself by refusing to face a basic strategy.

Let me tell you the truth about spammers: YOU are the spammer. The other guy is probably pressing BBBBBBBBBx1000 because you keep trying to attack through it after counterhit. Only, he has the prescence of mind to see what he's doing is working and what you're doing isnt.
 
I don't get this thread... at all. "Spammers," from my experience, are the easiest players to beat. I can usually tell 15 seconds into the first round if my opponent knows where the block button is. If he doesn't, I'll hold block, wait for an opening, and then hit B until I get to fight someone else. Does that make me a "spammer" because I chose not to pussy foot around the fact that my opponent doesn't know not to attack on disadvantage?

Other times, "spamming" is really a legitimate mixup. Take Zasalamel for example; if I hit my opponent with BB4, then I have a bunch of options. Usually I choose to throw because I'm at advantage and against most characters, the throw is guaranteed. But if I run into someone who ducks the throw every time, then I might just do BB4 again... maybe a couple more times until I train them to do a standing block where I can throw them. It's not a lag tactic or "spam," it's just a tactic. So I don't know if the people in this thread are complaining about actual spammers or people who understand frame data and know when they're at advantage, but either way you all need to stay in the fight and learn what you're doing wrong.
 
Fuzion said:
Let me tell you the truth about spammers: YOU are the spammer. The other guy is probably pressing BBBBBBBBBx1000 because you keep trying to attack through it after counterhit. Only, he has the prescence of mind to see what he's doing is working and what you're doing isnt.
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I said its a guessing game with most spammers. It's not that what I'm doing wouldn't work under normal circumstances, it's that I just happen to guess wrong. Which is annoying. And of course I'm going to kick people who don't play the way I want them to. Isn't that the point of making matches? If someone is being a douchebag, you kick them, regardless of situation. Spamming = being a douchebag, I don't care who you are or what your reasons are. You bore the shit out of me by coming into my match and going "lololololol I beat ya wif mah stick wif mixin up 3 moves nigga." Goddammit. If you beat me with an 80% combo using a wide variety of moves that I've never seen before, I'd be impressed. Honestly, spamming makes me not want to play this game, at least at the number of how many people do it. The fact people in the community support it "Because it works" lowers the standards of the community.
 
I think online that the spamming is totally different. The inability to block lows on reaction even with a good connection makes spamming lows a smart move. Offline I think it's more a case of people just not being familiar with a character, and if they can't think of a move they know, they just press combinations that are likely to result in a good attack, eg mashing direction+A+B for all of kiliks multi-hit moves.
 
Clavaat said:
I said its a guessing game with most spammers. It's not that what I'm doing wouldn't work under normal circumstances, it's that I just happen to guess wrong. Which is annoying. And of course I'm going to kick people who don't play the way I want them to. Isn't that the point of making matches? If someone is being a douchebag, you kick them, regardless of situation. Spamming = being a douchebag, I don't care who you are or what your reasons are. You bore the shit out of me by coming into my match and going "lololololol I beat ya wif mah stick wif mixin up 3 moves nigga." Goddammit. If you beat me with an 80% combo using a wide variety of moves that I've never seen before, I'd be impressed. Honestly, spamming makes me not want to play this game, at least at the number of how many people do it. The fact people in the community support it "Because it works" lowers the standards of the community.
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So what happens when you go to a tourney and lose to a Mitsu player that only uses BB, 66BB, 2KB, and a throw?
 
Normally i don't lose to spammers because they are easy to stop but when i got into a player match i play to try and improve my skill, not deal with doosh ass spammers. I stop them with simple and safe moves like Voldo's 6:6 B because one slip up and i'm in another spam hit. most spammers have a shitload of attack power so you mess up like 4 times and your done. it just ruins the game in general. spamming in ranked i understand cuz its gay and so it ranked but player matches are for fun and to improve on your skills hence them not counting on leader boards so really who gives a fuck if win or lose DONT SPAM
 
Fuzion said:
Ah, another pussy who kicks people from his game if they don't play the way you want them to. All the while thinking you are learning this game at a deep level, when actually you're creating a big Achilles heel for yourself by refusing to face a basic strategy.

Let me tell you the truth about spammers: YOU are the spammer. The other guy is probably pressing BBBBBBBBBx1000 because you keep trying to attack through it after counterhit. Only, he has the prescence of mind to see what he's doing is working and what you're doing isnt.
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I guess people who mix up moves and do more then 2 hit combos are spammers but i guess your just retarded and people make rooms to control who they want in them why else would you make one i tell people before i kick you need to stop spamming. MY BAD I TRY TO GET BETTER ONLINE i guess that makes me a spammer i'm sorry.
 
The point is you're attitude is horrible when it comes to competitive games in general. You have this pre-conceived notion that spamming is bad. It is bad in this game, but its bad because spamming is easily beatable, not because its inherently bad. "Because it works" is a perfectly legitimate explanation for why spamming is acceptable, and doesn't lower the standards of the community.

Just look at ST with tiger shot spam with o. sagat. People bitch about it because its hard to beat, but nobody claims that its somehow less legitimate of a win. They just suck it up and get better. Does ST have lower standards than any other fighting game community? Absolutely not.
 
No it's not bad because it's easily beatable it's bad because it's abusive of online game design for Soul Calibur 4. Now, if it gave you a "Java Lang Null Pointer Exception" when you tried to 1A with Mitsu and the game realized your opponent wouldn't be given a window of opportunity to respond to that move prior to it hitting you...that would be more appropriate. Guessing with mister block button is not what Soul Calibur is about. It's about whether or not you got the green parry or the red one off when responding to spam...but that's not possible online. So don't play spammers online and if you choose to (for example XBL tourney reasons) you better bring your a-spam-game and realize you're not being super-hyper-aggressive...you're spamming to play at the highest online level which unfortunately doesn't require much brain power but does require good hand-eye coordination. But at least you're spamming for a reason(to get to the offline tourney and beat some real face).

The concept of handshaking should have been rewritten to allow a looser coupling of the two playstations or xbox's that are running the game so you could respond to online moves. It wasn't rewritten so the game is spammable...don't do it if you want to approximate offline play online. Do do it if you want to win and don't care that you ruin the gameplay.
 
Clavaat said:
Spamming = being a douchebag, I don't care who you are or what your reasons are. You bore the shit out of me by coming into my match and going "lololololol I beat ya wif mah stick wif mixin up 3 moves nigga." Goddammit. If you beat me with an 80% combo using a wide variety of moves that I've never seen before, I'd be impressed. Honestly, spamming makes me not want to play this game, at least at the number of how many people do it. The fact people in the community support it "Because it works" lowers the standards of the community.
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Stop playing fighting games. Seriously, the objective in a match is to win, not dazzle your opponent with your shiny combos. Every fighting game community will tell you the exact same thing. I'll never understand people with your mentality. If you're falling for and lose to spamming, who's fault is that but your own? Yes I know lag is a factor but if they are spamming that much you can damn well GI it in anticipation. Booting people just because they didn't impress you with thier play is retarded.
 
Karama said:
but i guess your just retarded
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Yeah, I guess so
and people make rooms to control who they want in them why else would you make one
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Why else? For one thing: so idiots like you can't kick me. Another reason is to play under the settings I want (I only make 2 or 3-player games). I know it's hard for you to understand since you're a horrible scrub, but not everyone makes a game so they can feel powerful by kicking people who beat them.
MY BAD I TRY TO GET BETTER ONLINE
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No you don't. You only think you do. You're trying to get better at your candy-land version of soul calibur that no one else plays but you inside your peabrain.

Also, I guarantee "lag" has nothing to do with why you or Clavaat have such a problem with spammers. You wouldn't even know what to do against it offline either, so don't pretend like you do.
 
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