Why were Hwang and Li-Long removed?

Well, could be for many reasons. I'm only guessing two:

1. Story-There wasn't much for them to be in.
2. Marketing-Replaced by young successors to get attention towards young players.
3. There wasn't much use for them, especially Hwang who had moves from various characters.

But trust me, Hwang and Li Long are definitely great characters. This coming from someone who likes Soul Edge/Blade more than Soul Calibur. However, I'm sure it's their time to move on, especially now since they are getting older.

Why do you think I want Li Long's daughter in SC5? Probably won't happen, but still...
 
Of note on said child is Natsu's backstory. Being raised in part by Chie, she's have to know the child, and apparently no one likes Natsu, said child is pretty much marked as a dick, and do we really a dickish rival ninja to further Natsu's... similarity?
 
jtdam09 said:
1. Story-There wasn't much for them to be in.
2. Marketing-Replaced by young successors to get attention towards young players.
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1 don't mean shit,if they want a char in they keep him, and then think a dumb story for him
2 Bingo,marketing.
As marketing a dumb flashy final fantasy reject teen with nonsense orange hairs > Hwang. Sadly
Ask Taki too
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Terrible


Said that

Hwang > Yun

In before nonsense people claim Yun is cool
In before Idle play the wet box card
In before somebody claim that in SC4 he don't seem a gay samba istructor
I jump teh fuck out, merry christmas at all! :D
 
deuxhero said:
Of note on said child is Natsu's backstory. Being raised in part by Chie, she's have to know the child, and apparently no one likes Natsu, said child is pretty much marked as a dick, and do we really a dickish rival ninja to further Natsu's... similarity?
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Wait, come again?

Gatsu said:
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Gay samba instructor? No comment. lol

But basically, Marketing is the reason as to why Li Long and Hwang aren't playable in the series, I guess, but in all honestly, Maxi doesn't really appeal to me. Probably because I hate Elvis. One thing I do commend Maxi for is that he can tolerate many things, including kids. lmao

Only thing he can't tolerate is Astaroth.
 
It's not marketing, it's just plain design common sense why they were removed.

There is a pretty legitimate reason for Hwang's removal, despite the salty disposition of his fans. The fact is, he was never a fully fleshed out character, ever. He has always been an afterthought from a design perspective, merely a filler character. Check out the history:

Hwang's first appearance was in Soul Edge ARC version as a palette swap of Mitsurugi. When in the console version he was given some of his own moves, he was not a regular character on the roster- he also retained quite a few of Mitsurugi's moves.

In Soul Calibur he loses some of the Mitsurugi moves, keeps some others, and has copies of Xianghua moves. He is also not a main character in this game either. Once again he is simply a hybrid character with a very generic look and moveset. Xianghua was an incoming main character to the game and was a feature of the development.

So to me this means that when Yun is introduced in SC2 that he isn't so much replacing Hwang as being an actual fully fleshed out character. He only retains a semblance of Hwang's moves, and has many more of his own. The only real similarities are country of origin and weapon. I can understand why you lay the blame at Yun's doorstep on this one, but if you want a character scapegoat, Xianghua is probably a better logical choice.

Judging from this, Yun didn't replace Hwang, Hwang was never really integral to the game to begin with. Removig him from the game probably seemed to make sense, much like removing Rock from SC2 because Astaroth was an improved and more interesting version of his gameplay style. Cosequently, Rock went on to be a real character in SC3 with a drastically different playstyle which was fleshed out more in SC4, whereas once again Hwang was an afterthought bonus character with some new goofy flip kicks which did nothing to really change much about how he played.

As for Li-Long, well Maxi is about as different from Li-Long as you can be in terms of style. Maxi's style is so different from Li-Longs at an effective play level (and on a design level) that it doesn't matter that they both use Nunchaku to fight when the methods to achieve their ends are so drastically different. Maxi's complex looping system and frame heavy gameplay is in stark contrast to Li-Longs very standard regular strings and power-hit style play. It was only in SC3 where Li-Long was given his own "gimmick" in the form of intentional Soul Charge moves.

Hope that answers your question.

PS: Hwang also has the personality of a wet box, just like Gatsu says :)
PPS: I'm sorry to burst people's bubbles on this one.
 
Most likely because of what Idle said, but it might have been that they weren't as much as idols as people such as Ivy, Mitsurugi, etc, and they may have had a smaller fan base. Age really isn't much of a problem, Ivy had an excuse to stay (stopped aging), Mitsurugi is still here despite being about 50.
 
IdleMind said:
It's not marketing, it's just plain design common sense why they were removed.

There is a pretty legitimate reason for Hwang's removal, despite the salty disposition of his fans. The fact is, he was never a fully fleshed out character, ever. He has always been an afterthought from a design perspective, merely a filler character. Check out the history:

Hwang's first appearance was in Soul Edge ARC version as a palette swap of Mitsurugi. When in the console version he was given some of his own moves, he was not a regular character on the roster- he also retained quite a few of Mitsurugi's moves.

In Soul Calibur he loses some of the Mitsurugi moves, keeps some others, and has copies of Xianghua moves. He is also not a main character in this game either. Once again he is simply a hybrid character with a very generic look and moveset. Xianghua was an incoming main character to the game and was a feature of the development.

So to me this means that when Yun is introduced in SC2 that he isn't so much replacing Hwang as being an actual fully fleshed out character. He only retains a semblance of Hwang's moves, and has many more of his own. The only real similarities are country of origin and weapon. I can understand why you lay the blame at Yun's doorstep on this one, but if you want a character scapegoat, Xianghua is probably a better logical choice.

Judging from this, Yun didn't replace Hwang, Hwang was never really integral to the game to begin with. Removig him from the game probably seemed to make sense, much like removing Rock from SC2 because Astaroth was an improved and more interesting version of his gameplay style.
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Pretty understandable on Hwang's case.

I need to quote this on another site, because I originally thought the same thing as far as the whole "Yun didn't replace Hwang", but people thought the opposite, and I guess I was like "whatever".
 
I'm sorta confused,Daishi knows that Li Long & Hwang are the most wanted characters who were not in sc4,and he de-confirmed Hwang long ago,but not Li Long.Since Maxi is returning,doesn't this mean Li's not comming back?Why didn't he de-confirm them both?..
 
Soul said:
I'm sorta confused,Daishi knows that Li Long & Hwang are the most wanted characters who were not in sc4,and he de-confirmed Hwang long ago,but not Li Long.Since Maxi is returning,doesn't this mean Li's not comming back?Why didn't he de-confirm them both?..
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You know, not every thread needs to be a speculation thread. So stop turning them into that.
 
I agree with everything IdleMind posted, except for making it seem Hwang was never fleshed out and saying he's boring. He was noticeably fleshed out in SC3, since there wasn't a ton of stuff borrowed from anyone anymore. Plus he only wanted to defend his country. That's bravery, not boring.

Actually, the key point of Idle's post was Hwang never being fully fleshed out. So I disagree altogether.
 
Gatsu said:
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Terrible


Said that

Hwang > Yun

In before nonsense people claim Yun is cool
In before Idle play the wet box card
In before somebody claim that in SC4 he don't seem a gay samba istructor
I jump teh fuck out, merry christmas at all! :D
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Hey watch it fool!!
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DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT MY YUN-SEONG!!!


*lol* nah j/k, I respect your opinion. (I'm a huge Yun-Seong fan BTW) But really dude, you still want Hwang back? He'll be too old to fight, you know.
 
deuxhero said:
That's exactly what Yun is doing though, except mixed with 2 liters of stupid, 3 cups of sugar for hyperactivity and pint of starch for stubbornness.
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Um, how is Yun-Seong stupid?

Hyper? Sure.
Stubborn? Sure?

Stupid? Not really. He's not even the dumbest Korean(Mi-na is).

Heck, I could honestly argue he is smarter than Hwang as well.

Soon, he rejoined the Coast Guard, only to receive news that Seong Mi-na had run away again. Angered by this, he lost his better judgment and led his crew into a pirate's trap. Many lives were lost.

Way to keep your priorities straight, patriot. Said pirate was Maxi, btw.

And before you claim that being emotional is not being stupid, please enlighten me on what makes Yun dumb.
 
But the opportunity never came, for the boy would always avoid him. Talim tried to treat the boy, but to no avail. Seeing her disheartened, Yun-seong would talk to Talim every chance he could get, and she started to lighten up towards him. As the boy's condition deteriorated, Talim announced she would try a drastic treatment, but the boy refused. Yun-seong stopped him from arguing with Talim and spoke to him alone.
The boy told Yun-seong that he was the son of the lord of the fortress city, who went insane when he obtained a fragment of Soul Edge. He performed terrible human experiments, using his own son as a test subject, resulting in the dark energy within the boy's body. The neighboring cities attacked and the lord was killed, while the boy rescued the children who were going to be used as test subjects. After hearing his story, Yun-seong handed the boy his dao, White Storm, telling him of its ability to show what lies inside the heart of whoever holds it. The boy looked into the blade and thanked Yun-seong.
After the ritual, Talim left the village, but Yun-seong went after her, still having a few unanswered questions. Before he left, the boy told Yun-seong that the wielder of Soul Edge, Nightmare, was in the lands of the west. Yun-seong set out to find out the truth about Soul Edge.
Eventually, Yun-seong does caught up with Talim and the two of them continued their journey together. They came across an Egyptian temple that was destroyed, and Yun-seong became more convinced that Soul Edge does exist. Then Seong Mi-na found them, and she told him the Soul Edge will not protect their homeland. Yun-seong had a feeling that she will drag him back home, so he left her and Talim while they were asleep.
As he got nearer to Ostrheinsburg, he encountered Hwang, who also told him that Soul Edge was evil. However, Hwang did not stop Yun-seong from continuing with his quest, allowing the young warrior to find out for himself. As the two of them go their own ways, Yun-seong carried on with faith in his strength.
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From the wiki.

That seems a bit stupid to me. Everyone tells him it's evil, Seong Mi-na tells him it can't save his homeland, and he still goes after the sword. A boy told him the sword makes people go insane. If he was smart, he probably would've realized that the sword would corrupt him if he ever found it, and he would not be able to save his homeland anyways if he did find it. But he still goes after it!
 
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