FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
I thought double CE only works if the 1st CE isn't off a launcher or stun?
Matchup Discussion: Leixia VS. Mitsurugi
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Ring
Lay still now
Cleaned.
Synraii, stop insulting other members. Start acting like a moderator or else I will take this to Bibulus.
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ZeroEffect317
[13] Hero
Thanks Ring. I actually came in here to clean the thread up upon request, but you got to it already.
Getting back on topic here:
At the moment, I don't feel as though this is a 7/3 matchup for Mitsu. (I actually don't see any 7/3 matchups against her or in her favor right now) *Post-patch, however could be a different story with the loss of the vortex.* Mitsu has the edge for sure, but Leixia can still screw with him to the point where he doesn't dominate.
Leixia is just one of those characters that has enough solid options to be able to hang with almost anyone on even terms. You may have to change how you play her for certain matchups, but she's a fairly versatile character.
Mitsu 4B and Leixia 44B are essentially the same tool with the only exception of Mitsu's being safe. She can't outdamage him, but making use of her numerous frame traps will make the Mitsu have to start acting defensively. I'll need to test out this matchup some more, but from my pre-patch experience this was the way it was for me.
Getting back on topic here:
At the moment, I don't feel as though this is a 7/3 matchup for Mitsu. (I actually don't see any 7/3 matchups against her or in her favor right now) *Post-patch, however could be a different story with the loss of the vortex.* Mitsu has the edge for sure, but Leixia can still screw with him to the point where he doesn't dominate.
Leixia is just one of those characters that has enough solid options to be able to hang with almost anyone on even terms. You may have to change how you play her for certain matchups, but she's a fairly versatile character.
Mitsu 4B and Leixia 44B are essentially the same tool with the only exception of Mitsu's being safe. She can't outdamage him, but making use of her numerous frame traps will make the Mitsu have to start acting defensively. I'll need to test out this matchup some more, but from my pre-patch experience this was the way it was for me.
EmptySky00
[09] Warrior
Leixia is autopilot and requires no skill to use. Just 6KK all day. And her tracking/damage is retarded too. You basically get auto-mixups for using her and it's BS.
-heard all of these save for the damage part-
Landonio
[08] Mercenary
EmptySky00
[09] Warrior
Ikr. @_@
Not nearly as bad as the time some kid told me Link was nerfed from Melee to Brawl because he was a god in Melee. I nearly died.
"Link was nerfed from Melee because he was so good in Melee (Provided you didn't abuse the game)."
Love how he thought he made a valid point
/smashisirrelevantbutwhatever
Not nearly as bad as the time some kid told me Link was nerfed from Melee to Brawl because he was a god in Melee. I nearly died.
"Link was nerfed from Melee because he was so good in Melee (Provided you didn't abuse the game)."
Love how he thought he made a valid point
/smashisirrelevantbutwhatever
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
On the XBOX Live forums, when I complained about Leixia being unnecessarily overnerfed, some genius went on and on about how she was a great character pre-patch because, among other things, she has 44A (dafuq?!) and, and I quote, "She can always just throw out a Guard Impact to make herself safe". Wait, what?
Smart kid. It's not like Link gets nerfed down 2 tiers for every new appearance in the series. I expect him to be in his own tier, X-tier (below Bottom Tier), in Universe.
EmptySky00
[09] Warrior
Lmao GI so broke mang. But only for Leixia. What with her infinite meter and all. 41 frame startup is too fast. Get with it mang. Needz 2 b nerf. But in seriousness, maybe he was trolling? @__@ The GI thing sounds like he was srs though.
Oh God Link takes it hard every time. But it's justified because of his broke recovery and kill power. 'specially in bwarl with his grounded upB having the knockback of a jab (my brother survived it with Marth while he had like 150+. I raged.)
Funny thing about that kid, he called me a tier whore near the end of the argument (after I explicitely stated I use Link)because I think I was arguing that tiers existed. I love the internet.
/extremelyofftopic
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
Oh no, he was serious.
They even nerfed Link in the PAL version as compared to the NTSC version (his Up+B no longer semi-spikes). He can't even get to stay as mediocre between territorial versions!
Dragonfall
[10] Knight
Any combo, CE always combos into itself. It doesn't have to be magical.
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
I'm pretty sure 3B/FC3B into CEx2 doesn't work.
Dragonfall
[10] Knight
Well you're wrong. Why didn't you just go try it yourself? ~140 dmg from both combos.
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
I wasn't home. I stand corrected. That said, Leixia's combostarters into CE are unsafe and limited. Mitsurugi's has a ton of combos that leave you on knockdown and stunned for a double CE.
Mitsurugi can also choose between the stab or a stance (and just draw back). Mitsurugi's 4B also has greater range than Leixia's 44B. If you initiate both at the same time, despite both thrusting forward towards each other, Mitsurugi's will beat Leixia's every single time. In order to beat it, you have to time it so your own stab comes out slightly after Mitsurugi's.
Mitsurugi has several fast mids and lows. Frame trap what?
EmptySky00
[09] Warrior
Ha I remember reading the semi-spike removal thing in PAL. Sakurai b hatin.
So from what I'm gathering, Mitsurugi is still broke this time around? Or is he just one of those guys that poses a big threat but isn't necessarily OP?
So from what I'm gathering, Mitsurugi is still broke this time around? Or is he just one of those guys that poses a big threat but isn't necessarily OP?
Dragonfall
[10] Knight
Are you kidding? She's one of the safest characters, and there are many, many ways to combo into her CE, most of which are relatively safe.
She can even combo into it from 4K.
Go look at the frame data.
FallenAngelII
[09] Warrior
The only combo into CE is 4K. The rest are either unsafe or so unsafe the opponent gets a free mix-up (or a poke in the face, depending on who Leixia's facing).
Dragonfall
[10] Knight
Well obviously the opponent gets a free mix up. You're at frame disadvantage on block with most moves, including safe ones.
Some ways to combo into her CE/FA on block:
3B : -13
FC3B : -10
4A+B : -10
4K : -2
44[A] : -6
Plus the stun combos, and wall combos.
Dragonfall
[10] Knight
Also A+B and 6A+B, which are at -14/-12. I don't remember if you can combo into CE with those.
EmptySky00
[09] Warrior
I wish they wouldn't have nerfed 4K's damage. Is it even worth going into CE? It's scaled down quite a bit. Not sure how much. Maybe I just don't do it because I have a small window to make sure I actually landed 4K <_> But then again you can frame trap into CE I think so... w/e.