Matchup Discussion: Leixia VS. Mitsurugi

So, let me get this straight... this matchup is completely screwed for us, right?
 
Mitsu is the only char I see and think, "oh f*ck." I've fought lots of good Mitsus. That being said, I've been getting the better of them lately. They seem overconfident facing me and they're often stunned at how well I can keep the attack flow going, which is what I've always liked about Xianghua/Leixia. I've learned instinctively how to keep the pressure on. Frame traps can put him on the defensive and at that point I just throw the kitchen sink at them so they don't know what's coming and I can keep catching Mitsu when he tries to attack.

But if they get their wits about them and put the pressure on me, it find it harder to turn the tables on Mitsu than anyone else.
 
CyberBizzle said:
Mitsu is the only char I see and think, "oh f*ck." I've fought lots of good Mitsus. That being said, I've been getting the better of them lately. They seem overconfident facing me and they're often stunned at how well I can keep the attack flow going, which is what I've always liked about Xianghua/Leixia. I've learned instinctively how to keep the pressure on. Frame traps can put him on the defensive and at that point I just throw the kitchen sink at them so they don't know what's coming and I can keep catching Mitsu when he tries to attack.
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But what if they 4B?
 
Hi guys, as you may know, this game is created by Japan. I don't think, they will turn samurai or any Japanese character such as ( Natsu) into a bad character though. They always make Mitsu better than Leixia in both damage or counter. In all the previous patched, you guys can tell how they nerf Leixia. Look at Mitsu style, with the tricky Low then high hit which is very hard to noticeable. They removed most of xianghua movesets like low then high hit trick attack but still keeping mitsu one.
 
Not sure if fictional character nationality is a motivation for nerfing our favorite little chinese jailbait. Xianghua was God in 2 and 3 and in 4 she was high tier iirc so...
 
And in 1. Xianghua was retarded and they're compensating for that with Leixia. And she's not even that bad, go figure.

(On the other hand it may explain why the Koreans have always sucked and eventually been removed. Upset ex-Mina main here ;_;)

Anyway I'm not saying that this match-up is good or anything but I think it's better than we make it seem. Mitsu is a rather shallow character imo.
 
I haven't played it either but from what I have understood she was top tier top in all games except for SC4.
 
Eff compensation. If a character is fine how they are, leave them alone. Making edits to moves simply to fill up the space on the patch notes(or because some kid online is complaining about her 40 damage launch combo) is stupid.

I didn't mention 1 because I wasn't sure if she was God in 1 as well. X was so boss. I hope they drop her daughter into a hole and bring her back in VI @_@ If there is one anyway.


And as for Mitsu being shallow, Meta Knight was too. Effectiveness beats depth.
 
EmptySky00 said:
And as for Mitsu being shallow, Meta Knight was too. Effectiveness beats depth.
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You're overestimating Brawl's depth. Brawl isn't deep generally speaking. Meta-Knight is middle-of-the-road when it comes to depth. It's just that there are a bunch of very technique-deep characters in Brawl. Most of them are Top Tier, some are laughably Mid.

Ikuwayo said:
I haven't played it either but from what I have understood she was top tier top in all games except for SC4.
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As far as I know, she was the very best character in SCII, she was arguably Best or 2nd Best in III. I have no clue about I. She was laughably Mid in SCIV, but leaps and bounds better than Leixia. I'll gladly accept all of the SXS stupidity if they just give me back some useful lows.
 
Ya perhaps I am. But
FallenAngelII said:
You're overestimating Brawl's depth. Brawl isn't deep generally speaking. Meta-Knight is middle-of-the-road when it comes to depth. It's just that there are a bunch of very technique-deep characters in Brawl. Most of them are Top Tier, some are laughably Mid.


As far as I know, she was the very best character in SCII, she was arguably Best or 2nd Best in III. I have no clue about I. She was laughably Mid in SCIV, but leaps and bounds better than Leixia. I'll gladly accept all of the SXS stupidity if they just give me back some useful lows.
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Perhaps I am. MK is(was) just Outprioritize - Nado - Plank - Gimp - repeat. Not a lot of variety and depth is required when you have superior speed/recovery/priority/everything. What I'm getting at is even though he has some techniques that create the guise of depth, he doesn't have to necessarily use them to be effective. If you give a character ridiculously effective moves, then they can be shallow all they want and they'll still be able to win.

I thought X was near the bottom of high tier in 4 @_@ Was there even an official tier list? I might have just been looking at a dated one. But then again... bottom of high is basically mid @_@ eh.


edit: right on track @_@ Sorry. How many frames does it take for his low sweep kick BE to come out?
 
EmptySky00 said:
Not sure if fictional character nationality is a motivation for nerfing our favorite little chinese jailbait. Xianghua was God in 2 and 3 and in 4 she was high tier iirc so...
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Hi! I understand what you mean. Although, she is high tier in 3 and 4 but when you look at the match up chart she's always the one that's bad match up for mitsu...from sc4, her match up with mitsu was xianghua 4 vs 6 mitsurugi and now they did the same to her daughter which is leixia 4 vs 6 mitsurug. No change?
ok let talk about Natsu, she is faster or slightly equal to leixia in speed but look at her combo damage, she can do big combo in big damage while leixia can do combo with crap damage.
 
FallenAngelII said:
You're overestimating Brawl's depth. Brawl isn't deep generally speaking. Meta-Knight is middle-of-the-road when it comes to depth. It's just that there are a bunch of very technique-deep characters in Brawl. Most of them are Top Tier, some are laughably Mid.


As far as I know, she was the very best character in SCII, she was arguably Best or 2nd Best in III. I have no clue about I. She was laughably Mid in SCIV, but leaps and bounds better than Leixia. I'll gladly accept all of the SXS stupidity if they just give me back some useful lows.
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I agreed with you. In sc5, they took out so much low hit and tricky moves of xianghua and stated in the soul calibur wiki is that leixia style is a better version of xianghua. COME ON, what is make leixia better than xianghua beside her 3B, and 3 or 4 fews new moves set.
 
leixia2012 said:
Hi! I understand what you mean. Although, she is high tier in 3 and 4 but when you look at the match up chart she's always the one that's bad match up for mitsu...from sc4, her match up with mitsu was xianghua 4 vs 6 mitsurugi and now they did the same to her daughter which is leixia 4 vs 6 mitsurug. No change?
ok let talk about Natsu, she is faster or slightly equal to leixia in speed but look at her combo damage, she can do big combo in big damage while leixia can do combo with crap damage.
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Because maybe X's general character concept fares poorly against Mitsurugi's? Bad matchups can transcend through sequels. Luigi vs Marth and Link vs Everyone if you want some examples. <-- moar smash bros stuff lol

We all know that Leixia's damage is inferior to everyone else's. But you also fail to note that Natsu and Leixia are not the same characters, nor are they similar. They shouldn't necessarily have the same damage.


Also, SC Wiki isn't necessarily a 100% pure fact site and what you're quoting is an opinion. Better and worse is usually a matter of opinion. And that could be what Namco said. They obviously don't know what they're talking about.

I thought that the whole "Nooo half of my moveset is gone FUCK YOU NAMCO" mentality should have died down after the first few weeks? Not much you can do but accept it or play someone else.

/relevant to the mitsurugi matchup
 
EmptySky00 said:
Because maybe X's general character concept fares poorly against Mitsurugi's? Bad matchups can transcend through sequels. Luigi vs Marth and Link vs Everyone if you want some examples. <-- moar smash bros stuff lol

We all know that Leixia's damage is inferior to everyone else's. But you also fail to note that Natsu and Leixia are not the same characters, nor are they similar. They shouldn't necessarily have the same damage.


Also, SC Wiki isn't necessarily a 100% pure fact site and what you're quoting is an opinion. Better and worse is usually a matter of opinion. And that could be what Namco said. They obviously don't know what they're talking about.

I thought that the whole "Nooo half of my moveset is gone FUCK YOU NAMCO" mentality should have died down after the first few weeks? Not much you can do but accept it or play someone else.

/relevant to the mitsurugi matchup
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Well, im not compare Natsu and Leixia to be the same, im just saying that Leixia damage in combo should need to improve.
LOL, ya i agreed with you. Im miss most of xianghua mix up moves in those previous games. They should added in next coming patch if available lol
 
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