EVO: Show up for the finals, jerks.

I`m not sure about banning Hilde, but I don`t like comebacks with one combo, I saw a lot of those, and I would have booed too if I would have been there, it`s something that need to be fixed, I take the example of Omega, damn, he did such a great job against Hilde, but I guess it`s impossible to any human to play without making one single mistake, but oops, unlike KDZ (wich also did a great job against Hilde), he didn`t got lucky with the stages, he played both of his matches in small stages, he was always at one combo of RO, KDZ received more Doom combos than Omega if u check the matches, but KDZ was luckier in the stages selection.

It`s one combo man, you can start it anytime after a whiff, a really unsafe string, and auto GI, etc...
I can do it well against HIlde, I like playing her in small stages cause I`m a yoshi player and of course I`ve developed an strategy, she can`t auto GI my 3B, 66K, iMCF, etc with C3A, and many other things that I`ve learned, just as I did against the other chars, but Doom combo is the shit, maybe to great to be loved by everyone, so It`s gonna be hated and booed a lot.

Changing strategy is good and is the sauce that complement a good game based on mind games more than difficult strings or super hard combos, but as much as I like to adapt to different styles, playing against hilde becomes boring, it`s like the same thing all the time, "play safe, step left, chase her when she lost her charges, and strat a to z", it`s boring to me.

I don`t know the results of all the brackets, but I`m sure that some good players were doomed by Hilde, cause as I said before, no human can play a perfect match, so imagine a human trying to play 2 or 3 perfect matches. Beating Hilde is combination of strategy, and luck when picking up the stage.
 
It's not logical. If you are WITHIN RO range for any character, one mistake means death. EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER.
Hilde's advantages is that her RO range is bigger than every other character.
You fuck up against Cass and she lands 33B, you can RO about 70-80% the same distance as Doom except that the ender RO's to the right.
You fuck up against Yoshi, he can RO you pretty damn far.
FFS, IVY has a decent RO game. RO's are a PART OF THE FUCKING GAME.
Sieg iagA tech traps can do 80%.
Dude, making mistakes is just bad in general - Hilde is just better on her reward when capitalizing on mistakes.
but there are many characters who Punish mistakes way better. Can you seriously come up with a better reason than "She has one combo that can be kill you" You can punish it. You can deal with it.
So grow up and deal with it.
 
meh save the hilde vs ban hilde arguments for another thread. I think we all have some pretty deep rooted opinions on the matter and we'll have to let NAMCO and tournament officials make the call in the future. I think she's broke, but if she's gonna be legal with that garbage I'm gonna learn to fight it, not yell at the player. If I have to turtle SW stance, that's how it's gonna be.

PSP Hilde won't be doing the same, so it seems NAMCO agrees with it as an issue.

Side note watched the video. You cannot hear the crowd, a few chants get in, but it was REALLY fuckin noisy the whole way through. I'm amazed I couldn't hear my voice shouting. I'm gonna stick with my had to be there stance. The crowd loved SC4 and they loved to hate hilde, we made a lot of new fans.

Evo2k 10 SC4! Lets see if the anniversary of my tourny cherry bares fruit. Getting my ass handed to me by pros and watching link and malek made me completely scrap my ivy. I've gained more skill in these 3 days than the months of training i did alone.

Now on a bigger patch discussion...how we get tekken sheep in soul cal?
 
The Doom combo is broken and people know this Runis. Not the character (I am not for a ban or something like that, I am in favor of a patch) but the doom combo. The starters are competely insane (C3 A, C3 B, C2 BB, FC C2 B... all positive on block apart from FC C2B)... and the combo is easy to do.

Cassandra's combo in order to do 70% of doom combo can be JUed. Yoshi needs iMCF + 44bB + JF. Rock has a doom combo but needs 3 throws (lol).

No Runis there is NO character that can win as easily as Hilde.

I can totally understand the reason of the the booing.

Anyway the booing means how much people were into the game. And it's a good thing for the community to see how much SC4 can get people into a single game. I am pretty happy Hilde didn't win (especially Thugish lol, changing to Hilde was lame). Congrats to Malek, Omega and KDZ !
 
Mmm... how many Hilde players would stick to her if she loses doom combo and she doesn`t get beffed up in her dmg?... Doom combo is the main reason for most of Hilde players, cause is an easy win, that`s the true.
I suffered a lot when Yoshi got nerfed in 1.03, but then started to research more things, and even now, Im still discovering things, maybe Hilde players should do the same, but what for, if u have doom combo, I would like to see a really good Hilde that combines all of her arsenal, besides just looking for an oportunity to land doom combo.
I don`t want HIlde to be banned, but to be used at her full potential, anyway, this is like politics, we will never agree.
 
Nobody cares about Broken Destiny. That's not the version that's played in any tournament. If a patch is released, that's the version we'll play. Until then, the Doom Combo exists but the character can be beaten and more important, the PLAYER can be beaten. She's FAR from ban worthy, and most top players agree w/me.
 
Omega lost because of his characters and that is plain and simple (not hilde) because arguably his reactions are better than everybodys and hilde didnt get top 3. The fact is Omega got beat pretty bad when he lost and when he won it was usually close.....tiers matter when you and your opponents are at or almost at equal level. Furthermore games have an unpickable tier and i put zas, tira and rock in that tier for this game...... OMEGA PLEASE PICK A DECENT CHARACTER!!!!!
 
Runis said:
It's not logical. If you are WITHIN RO range for any character, one mistake means death. EVERY FUCKING CHARACTER.
Hilde's advantages is that her RO range is bigger than every other character.
You fuck up against Cass and she lands 33B, you can RO about 70-80% the same distance as Doom except that the ender RO's to the right.
You fuck up against Yoshi, he can RO you pretty damn far.
FFS, IVY has a decent RO game. RO's are a PART OF THE FUCKING GAME.
Sieg iagA tech traps can do 80%.
Dude, making mistakes is just bad in general - Hilde is just better on her reward when capitalizing on mistakes.
but there are many characters who Punish mistakes way better. Can you seriously come up with a better reason than "She has one combo that can be kill you" You can punish it. You can deal with it.
So grow up and deal with it.
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hardly.. it's not even a tech trap,it can be blocked easily, but i guess you wouldn't know that..
 
Hellbottom: Runis doesn't mean that iagA itself is a tech trap... rather that when used in combos, iagA can give rise to tech trap situations that deal ridiculous damage. If you don't believe me, I refer you to the following:


^_^;;
 
i know what he means -_- those combos with +100 dmg are not tech traps, in the video it says (stay down) more like don't roll like an idiot and just block..

rest of the wall combos have avarage dmg for a wall combo.

all of this doesn't compare to hilde's death combo if i may say so..which is guaranteed +100 dmg (w/o wall) + RO properties (again w/o wall).
 
I know what a tech-trap is. I started the search for all of Hilde's ones then stopped after people started leaking them. Now I've just got a few nasty setups I found that I'm keeping to myself and letting the rest of the community have the BNB traps. Oh yeah. Hilde's nastiest Tech traps mostly come of of okizemi damage that if the opponent refuses to tech will reset a new trap. So even if she does get the Doom nerf which by BD looks like she will, She'll still be one of my mains.
And Maxou, I know the Doom combo is broken. But it isn't ban worthy.
 
I believe Hilde shouldn't be banned, just her Doom combo should be fixed. Shes a great character with obvious weaknesses but the Ringout range on that Doom combo is just ridiculous.

Grats to Malek and KDZ. Mad props to Omega as well for playing Zas all the way up there heh.
 
I never said Hilde is ban worthy. But total brokeness in a "balanced" game (not really balanced but you get my point) will get you hate... and hype when a character without that brokeness is defeated.
The booing was a good thing, it showed the exitement of the crowd !
 
IvyFanboy said:
A 10% HP hilde vs a 100% whatever is still and neck in neck match in most cases.

Now argue that.
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Zangief.


Note to people whining about getting Hilde Banned.

Nats isn't over yet.

Note to people going against those whiners.

Nats isn't over yet, no reason why RTD and Ceirnian can't take those..
Plus Killa6 is supposed to win, please don't tell people that "Hilde wasn't even top 3 at Evo" as Evo is the only tournament around.
 
The atmosphere inside the arena might be electric, but BEING there wasn't the only thing that counts. You had about 2 maybe 3 thousand people there. then you had about 10000 people watching on the stream. your EXCUSE that because I'm not there doesn't hold if the larger audience watching was also NOT THERE.
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But the people watching on the stream didn't care enough to go to Evo, so it's not nearly as important that they be impressed. The vast majority of them aren't going to go to Evo next year either. The people that Evo needs to entertain are its paying customers. Plus, the people who are making the decisions about what games are at Evo were watching the finals at Evo, not on the stream, so how the finals played live is what matters.

It looks like there's almost total agreement from people at Evo that the booing brought hype and added to the atmosphere. I don't understand how people that weren't there can say that they know better than the people that were there what the atmosphere was like. Meh.
 
I think they just like to argue :/

Maybe they think we're playing SSBB with Hilde and Evo is run by web masters and online ads. I must be missin the good inside info.
 
aneudee said:
Omega lost because of his characters and that is plain and simple (not hilde) because arguably his reactions are better than everybodys and hilde didnt get top 3. The fact is Omega got beat pretty bad when he lost and when he won it was usually close.....tiers matter when you and your opponents are at or almost at equal level. Furthermore games have an unpickable tier and i put zas, tira and rock in that tier for this game...... OMEGA PLEASE PICK A DECENT CHARACTER!!!!!
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I think it was more his lack of anti hilde EXP than the characters he played. It looked like he was running into the matchup almost entirely based on theory.
 
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