[Dec 3, 2011] North East Championships XII (Philadelphia, PA)
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Ramon
Perfect Purple Pyrrha
we should hold a small side event to see who takes the 6th seat! i'll play for the SAKE of playing in it but i know im not gonna win
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
Omega:
There is a major error in ur argument..... Daigo wins 95% of all the tournaments he participates in. He's allowed to lose tournaments, etc. as the nature of probability will never be in anyone's favor 100% of the time regardless of who u are. If anyone thinks someone is better than Daigo in SF until he becomes inconsistent and/or someone else replicates his ridiculous results their an idiot.
Fuudo is perhaps the one other FG competitor people can argue might be better than Daigo. He also has some powerful tournament wins under his belt and slaughters people in matches just like Daigo. Not to mention he was also a god in VF the most difficult fighting game of them all.
There is a major error in ur argument..... Daigo wins 95% of all the tournaments he participates in. He's allowed to lose tournaments, etc. as the nature of probability will never be in anyone's favor 100% of the time regardless of who u are. If anyone thinks someone is better than Daigo in SF until he becomes inconsistent and/or someone else replicates his ridiculous results their an idiot.
Fuudo is perhaps the one other FG competitor people can argue might be better than Daigo. He also has some powerful tournament wins under his belt and slaughters people in matches just like Daigo. Not to mention he was also a god in VF the most difficult fighting game of them all.
BLACKSTAR
[10] Knight
<--- VF Player
play moar vf, people.
play moar vf, people.
Dullyanna
[10] Knight
Off topic (lol) but nobody who actually plays VF thinks it's the hardest game of them all :V
LP
Premium Member
Omega took a couple of the words right out of my mouth. My incentive for playing my ass off is paying all this damned money to go in the first place and knowing I won't get to see many of you again for a while. I can guarantee that, despite
Also, I'm not Daddy Warbux or anything, but I include MMs in the 'casual' category, so that may have led to some confusion. What I mean is that longer sets are way more invaluable for determining the better player than typical tournament format will ever be.
I'm fuckin' psychic, man! I said the same exact thing, with consideration to a consensus...but then lots of people with their 'slots' got scared. It's funny how people are so quick to proclaim they're the better player...but, when it comes down to proving it, somebody's dog died, has a funeral, etc. Like I said in ONE OF MY FIRST POSTS REGARDING THIS, I would want to play in the side event just because I want to see where I'm at now and want as many chances to challenge myself before I start travelling for SC5.
Also, like I said in one of my first posts, if this were to happen and I were, through some miracle, to win, I would even give up the spot because I do respect the fact that lots of people have much more tournament experience than I.
And remember what you said in the car at SJ? Tsk tsk. I truly believe that Thugish is that only person that can stop you in the States when you're on (and don't even think that's guaranteed)
This is part of the problem I have with that mentality; you can't just change the argument to suit itself on a whim (to the point of even contradicting yourself).
I think the whole thing is trivial, to be honest, because I believe players can only be better at a point in time...and not overall better, even with results including (which are, once again, fickle things, because not everyone plays all the same people or even at the same tournaments). It's cool, though, because this whole thing has led me to believe I'm going to have to give everyone the Signia treatment (not a jab at you Signia); if I see any of the so-called beasts just sitting down, know that I may put you on front street and just challenge you to a set out of the blue, there will be witnesses, and, hell, if that's not incentive enough for you to play 'at your best', we can even throw some money down.
I realize now that part of being 'the better player' is eliminating any and every possible excuse your opponent may come up with when they fuckin' lose. I've played lots of people thanks to FSAK, but people like to consider themselves top players so they should know Sets and I might decide to spice things and not pick Sets (so that'll eliminate that excuse), I'll try not to do them later at night or early in the morning (since people do get tired), and, hell, it'll be a longer set so I won't be able to hold on to the nerves excuse.
This topic has shown me that quite a few of the 'top players' take their positions for granted, so I'm going to shake things up a bit. I still stand by the notion that I don't consider myself a top player in SC4...but do believe I can beat just about anyone. With that said, I'm going to make some of you reconsider how highly you think of yourselves and we'll start this SC5 humbling experience at SC5's first open playtest in the States. See you all there.
It's fuckin' hilarious how all you 'top' players can talk so easily out of the side of you mouths.
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
FG hierarchy:
1. What do u get when u win a set of casuals (1v1)? Nothing.
2. What do u get when u win a mm (1v1)? I can beat this specific individual 1v1 and I'm a bit richer.
3. What do u get when you beat some notables names in tournament but still can't place or win? Temporary hype.
4. What do u get when u win tournaments? 1st place above all the other competitors! The biggest and most important slice of the pot! Potential seeding for other major tournaments! Bragging rights! Etc. Placers get some of these things as well but to a much lesser extent.
*It doesn't matter how much people hate and use the well "he/she uses powerful character card". The above is still fact (referring to 4). Hence the tournament winner can ultimately look at all the haters like their stupid while they cash their winnings at the bank.
This is not intended to offend anyone. It just is what it is.
1. What do u get when u win a set of casuals (1v1)? Nothing.
2. What do u get when u win a mm (1v1)? I can beat this specific individual 1v1 and I'm a bit richer.
3. What do u get when you beat some notables names in tournament but still can't place or win? Temporary hype.
4. What do u get when u win tournaments? 1st place above all the other competitors! The biggest and most important slice of the pot! Potential seeding for other major tournaments! Bragging rights! Etc. Placers get some of these things as well but to a much lesser extent.
*It doesn't matter how much people hate and use the well "he/she uses powerful character card". The above is still fact (referring to 4). Hence the tournament winner can ultimately look at all the haters like their stupid while they cash their winnings at the bank.
This is not intended to offend anyone. It just is what it is.
LP
Premium Member
Yeah, I don't wanna hear all that shit. I'm good enough on cash. I want intangible things like pride and egos. See you there.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
LP:
Those are good points. Consider though that if someone were honest with themselves, they might begin to admit they’re not as good as they thought. I’ve seen this and done it myself before. Most people just have rules you need to shut down. It’s not usually something that can be done in one session. And even if someone always behaves in a questionable manner, who cares? Make them look dumb when the chance comes. Credibility speaks for a person not just in results but how everyone else treats them, too.
Those are good points. Consider though that if someone were honest with themselves, they might begin to admit they’re not as good as they thought. I’ve seen this and done it myself before. Most people just have rules you need to shut down. It’s not usually something that can be done in one session. And even if someone always behaves in a questionable manner, who cares? Make them look dumb when the chance comes. Credibility speaks for a person not just in results but how everyone else treats them, too.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Perfect example: S-U is a fake top player because he did well in tournaments but lost where it mattered: 5-0 against Mick. lollll
D.I.N.O
[11] Champion
I play to say I'm better than you. FT1 or FT10 or whatever. A win is a Win is a Win. To say casuals don't matter is pretty pathetic. Its means you're trying to find a cop out to why you lost. Along the lines of playing a Low Tier vs High Tier (Oh My character made me lose).
I dont think anyone who claims to not take casuals seriously, WINS, and then says "Oh it doesn't matter, its just casuals, you're probably still better than me even though I won 15 in a row".
Get it?!
I dont think anyone who claims to not take casuals seriously, WINS, and then says "Oh it doesn't matter, its just casuals, you're probably still better than me even though I won 15 in a row".
Get it?!
KowtowRobinson
[10] Knight
I play to say I'm better than Chuck the Scrubslide, get ready to gimme them cheesesteaks hombre!
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
This is the problem. Facts are provided all over the posts I made. You just choose not to hear em. If u did I would also tackle the tiers post u had with Daigo vs Champ exhibition in which the vid u posted contradicted ur argument along with the TP, DK, and KCD character decisions (a tournament I saw btw).
You missed the point. The pot is a "bonus". I'm with u on the actual comp itself being more fulfilling. The earnings are not the ultimate incentive. It's important however, this is because there are so many haters/complainers in this day and age who convince themselves that things like character choice is the only reason people win. Even Daigo gets this hate with Yun despite the fact he has been using Ryu for years. It gets to a point where the winners are better off just saying "talk that shit when u can cash all the money I won from these tournaments in the bank"
I agree here because even though i'm the loud one u and I both know damn near any "real competitor" has this. Even so, what constitutes stripping someone of their pride and ego.
For example: You contributed to one of the "4" losses I incurred at FSAK out of 60 round robin matches. Do u honestly believe I lost a bit of my pride and ego as a competitor? Hell no, especially when I placed 3rd and ur placement was no where in sight. The best of the best lose sometimes. It happens to a fair number of top competitors in multiple games.
The same rule applies to me vs. Mick but on the other hand he beat me 5-0 for a $100 with an emphasis on a $100. That hits the pride a bit but its nothing I don't believe I can fix (trust me it will happen). Do u really think as a hardcore competitor with an ego like mine I would let that slide ;p. This however is a 1v1 me vs Mick thing and won't be done for the masses.
Will do if all goes well! Just remember I won't be around for casuals. I said this before, but I'm not attending NEC for SC4. Since u housed me at FSAK (I don't forget things like this trust me) and ur willing to house me at NEC I will play u seriously under whatever condition u like. No homo.
Ceirnian
[11] Champion
You should test LP's heart while you're at it.
A true competitor will sit down and play everyone first to whatever just to prove themselves, you know the satisfaction when the other players say you are better than me i cant beat you, now thats the respect, And SU is not that im wrong is just diffrent points of view, Like i said before if i know you dont take casuals seriously it cool i wont play you, thats fine by me, lets hope we get to play in a tournament, cause the problems with tournaments is you dont get to play everyone.
LP
Premium Member
Going to make this short because I have to go.
1. The problem is that you aren't hearing what I'm saying. People are going to place emphasis on whatever they want. I'm going to lay it out for you right here. If anyone who's not a 'top' player beats somebody . It's just cop out after cop out with you people. If Player V (Vet) loses to player N (New) in a tournament but N doesn't win, it's okay because player N didn't win; if player V loses to player N in the tournament and player N goes on to win, it's okay for player V because player N beat everybody; if player V loses in a casual match with no money on the line, it's okay because it's just casuals; if player V loses to player N in a money match, it's okay because player V has done well consistently. Then, cream on top of that, if player V loses to player N, it could be because player V (a vet, mind you!) doesn't know the matchup! You people are fuckin' crazy!
For example: You contributed to one of the "4" losses I incurred at FSAK out of 60 round robin matches. Do u honestly believe I lost a bit of my pride and ego as a competitor? Hell no, especially when I placed 3rd and ur placement was no where in sight. The best of the best lose sometimes. It happens to a fair number of top competitors in multiple games.
So, like I said, I'm going to sit down and fuck people up until there's no doubt in there mind. And, we can keep these excuses going until the end of the year, because I assure you a dominating performance from me in SC5 every time you see me.
You can show the contradiction if you want. I assure you my arguments are sounds and any contradiction you see is probably a mistake of your own.
2. Most of the people don't even know how much money is being paid out when they go to a tournament. It's not about the money, plain and simple. At the end of the day, X wants to say he fucked Y and everybody else, which you could do through a tournament. The same can easily be done outside of a tournament.
3. You said yourself, your loss to me (your first lost at FSAK, mind you, when you sought me out to play) was where everything started going wrong for you. Whether or not you want to retract the statement, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is all of you people do whatever you can for a cop out and nobody was there to witness that match so you or anyone else who loses in an upset can downplay their loss.
I won't even bother listing the numbers for sets I've played but the fact is that all of the sets I've played with exception to the one where Lolo beat me 10-3 (And then I won 5-2) have been heavily in my favor...but people don't know that because they haven't seen them. And, like I said with point number 1, you all try to downplay this shit to to save your egos and not give anybody props. From the way I talk, you already know I'm going to make sure you know I won if I have to, but, even then, look at this 'Well, you beat my ass but look where you placed'. But then you give Mick props, but only to downplay my victory. Earlier in the thread, you were the same one who said, 'Mick's a guy who's only beaten me', despite him putting in work since he's been back. Like I said, cop out after cop out. Telling you now, people are getting put on blast at NEC and there's going to be a new fuckin' attitude to this whole thing come SC5, regardless of if I have to embarrass people so hard that they leave the community or not.
And you know what, all of this is funny now because I've heard through the Informant that some people want to say that the only reason I got top 8 even at SJ is because I had an easy bracket...meanwhile, you don't see ANY of these people challenging me to a set, whether for money or not. Come on now.
1. The problem is that you aren't hearing what I'm saying. People are going to place emphasis on whatever they want. I'm going to lay it out for you right here. If anyone who's not a 'top' player beats somebody . It's just cop out after cop out with you people. If Player V (Vet) loses to player N (New) in a tournament but N doesn't win, it's okay because player N didn't win; if player V loses to player N in the tournament and player N goes on to win, it's okay for player V because player N beat everybody; if player V loses in a casual match with no money on the line, it's okay because it's just casuals; if player V loses to player N in a money match, it's okay because player V has done well consistently. Then, cream on top of that, if player V loses to player N, it could be because player V (a vet, mind you!) doesn't know the matchup! You people are fuckin' crazy!
For example: You contributed to one of the "4" losses I incurred at FSAK out of 60 round robin matches. Do u honestly believe I lost a bit of my pride and ego as a competitor? Hell no, especially when I placed 3rd and ur placement was no where in sight. The best of the best lose sometimes. It happens to a fair number of top competitors in multiple games.
So, like I said, I'm going to sit down and fuck people up until there's no doubt in there mind. And, we can keep these excuses going until the end of the year, because I assure you a dominating performance from me in SC5 every time you see me.
You can show the contradiction if you want. I assure you my arguments are sounds and any contradiction you see is probably a mistake of your own.
2. Most of the people don't even know how much money is being paid out when they go to a tournament. It's not about the money, plain and simple. At the end of the day, X wants to say he fucked Y and everybody else, which you could do through a tournament. The same can easily be done outside of a tournament.
3. You said yourself, your loss to me (your first lost at FSAK, mind you, when you sought me out to play) was where everything started going wrong for you. Whether or not you want to retract the statement, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is all of you people do whatever you can for a cop out and nobody was there to witness that match so you or anyone else who loses in an upset can downplay their loss.
I won't even bother listing the numbers for sets I've played but the fact is that all of the sets I've played with exception to the one where Lolo beat me 10-3 (And then I won 5-2) have been heavily in my favor...but people don't know that because they haven't seen them. And, like I said with point number 1, you all try to downplay this shit to to save your egos and not give anybody props. From the way I talk, you already know I'm going to make sure you know I won if I have to, but, even then, look at this 'Well, you beat my ass but look where you placed'. But then you give Mick props, but only to downplay my victory. Earlier in the thread, you were the same one who said, 'Mick's a guy who's only beaten me', despite him putting in work since he's been back. Like I said, cop out after cop out. Telling you now, people are getting put on blast at NEC and there's going to be a new fuckin' attitude to this whole thing come SC5, regardless of if I have to embarrass people so hard that they leave the community or not.
And you know what, all of this is funny now because I've heard through the Informant that some people want to say that the only reason I got top 8 even at SJ is because I had an easy bracket...meanwhile, you don't see ANY of these people challenging me to a set, whether for money or not. Come on now.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Liar.
Yo i have one question for you, WHY DO YOU GIVE A FUCK WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT YOU? WHY DO YOU NEED THEM TO AKNOLEDGE YOU AS A GOOD PLAYER? Some important players have a lot of respect for you, LOLO being one of them and me, and i think even RTD, but you messed up that respect by the way you talk and saying how good you are, just wait for NEC and sit down the players that take casuals or money matches seriously and play them, play all the french and demonstrate you power, you win perfect you lose its ok, what matters is you give all your shit in those matches and if you are really good the word is going to spread, CHEQUERAO.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Sorry, I can't help but be addicted to these debates. I love it.
One glaring flaw I haven’t seen anyone mention is that casuals are extra meaningless if the two players don’t even know how many matches they’re playing up to. Whether you like it or not, if you don’t at least establish a number, FT5 for example, then it’s just not the same person you’d be playing without it. Why do you think I don’t care if I lose dozens of matches?
It’s just insane to think someone should take those matches with any sort of real weight when there wasn’t any agreement beyond, “let’s just play.”
One glaring flaw I haven’t seen anyone mention is that casuals are extra meaningless if the two players don’t even know how many matches they’re playing up to. Whether you like it or not, if you don’t at least establish a number, FT5 for example, then it’s just not the same person you’d be playing without it. Why do you think I don’t care if I lose dozens of matches?
It’s just insane to think someone should take those matches with any sort of real weight when there wasn’t any agreement beyond, “let’s just play.”