Under-used moves

The normal version is not reliable at times, giving them the chance to murder you. I wouldn't recommend it.
 
4 A+B, It's been listed in his worst moves but I'm getting mileage out of it even against decent comp. This moves is great against characters that have horrible whiff frames and not great in punishment( looking at you Nightmare). When blocked up close it's safe. As with any move, when used in moderation it's fantastic! Try it after a non ch 1A,B. The opponent wants to get you! Plus you get a launch! It's super gimmicky but also super effective for what it is. It will self ring out when the opponents back is the edge. Be careful.
 
Against patient players is useless. Against Cervantes you get a full punish combo out of B+K. Against the rest then they can easily Just Guard it and severely punish you. Without mentioning all this can be done easily on reaction.The only way it hits is if they threw something extremely slow or unsafe. Other than that it's just pure luck and extreme risk.
 
Moldredd said:
Against patient players is useless. Against Cervantes you get a full punish combo out of B+K. Against the rest then they can easily Just Guard it and severely punish you. Without mentioning all this can be done easily on reaction.The only way it hits is if they threw something extremely slow or unsafe. Other than that it's just pure luck and extreme risk.
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pretty much this.

if it's fast it'll hit you out of the 4A+B too.

the way i see it is if the move is fast use GI/B+K/A+B, if the move is slow use aB, if the move is an B then step 3B if the move is an A duck it wsB+K, and if you can't step or duck it go back to GI/A+B/B+K. theres never a reason to 4A+B unless you wanna look cool.
 
HouseofMC said:
I disagree
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Not to be rude or anything but I once met a fellow rank A1 Cervantes player that idolized this move and swore I was dead wrong about it. We played a long section mostly consisting of Cervy Vs. Cervy. He tried randomly hitting me 33 times with it and this is what happened:

28 times he ate a full damaging B+K combo (84+ dmg).
4 times I Just Guarded and severely punished him with Astaroth.
1 time I just GIed him back to the edge and scored a RO while using Ivy.

After that he left and I never saw him again.

If people are falling for it it just means they are recklessly rushing or you succeeded at being random and they threw something unsafe/slow at the moment . Granted, the move can hits from time to time because there's always a random factor but there are far better options than relying on suicidal gimmicky.
 
I understand your points completely. I probably use it too much and always on scrubs. I don't believe it's useless however. It can be very useful when the opponent is super aggressive. I'm no Cervy expert and have learned much from the players that post here. I use it, it works. But if you say otherwise, I believe you. Maybe we can play sometime.
 
Give it a try sometime, online or off. Don't throw it out randomly, try to set it up. I guess I'm alone on this. I'm not saying base your entire game around this stupid move, but it has it's place.
 
6A+B is good?, i can't get someone to stand still long enough to block BB letalone something as slow as 6A+B.
 
ShinJin said:
6A+B is good?, i can't get someone to stand still long enough to block BB letalone something as slow as 6A+B.
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In THIS game? Son. 66A, 3A, 33A, 4A, I mean I could go on. MAKE THEM stop stepping.

EDIT: holy fuck I missed our annual "4a+b has it's uses I swear!" post lol. Guys believe me, we've tried this shit. It doesn't work. That goes for both games, 4 and 5.

DOUBLE EDIT: Let me phrase it this way actually. If you're making THAT sort of read, there's undoubtedly a better option you could be using. So if your object is to back away from something, a backstep and iGDR or 3B would be a better option. If it's something that would catch your backstep, a sidestep 3B would be better, etc.

Learn to make reads with your movement and good moves. You don't NEED to use every move in the book just to be "unpredictable." You can be unpredictable with your play even with a small selection of good moves, not just by picking new moves all the time.
 
HouseofMC said:
I understand your points completely. I probably use it too much and always on scrubs. I don't believe it's useless however. It can be very useful when the opponent is super aggressive. I'm no Cervy expert and have learned much from the players that post here
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Once again my apologies if I sounded harsh but I really feel it's a suicidal move just for the fact it's obvious and you can react to it extremely easily and against a good player I really don't see chances of you doing it and getting away with it.

It may hit from time to time but against people that know their game/characters and play high level will not fall for it that easily.

You need to keep this in mind:

-You can JG/counter it on reaction.
-On block they get a free high punish.

A good player will simply take away 1/3 of you life 95% of your tries. (optimism of course.)

I use it, it works. But if you say otherwise, I believe you. Maybe we can play sometime.
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Sure. It would be an honor. You can find me on Live.
 
You weren't harsh at all my friend. You are trying to help me. I will start substituting it for 44B. How do you like that move? And I'm on PSN :(
 
HouseofMC said:
Try (4A+B) after a non ch 1A,B. The opponent wants to get you! Plus you get a launch! It's super gimmicky but also super effective for what it is.
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If we're talking post 1A,B gimmicks, for what you're trying to do, you wanna know what works much better after 1A,B on normal hit?
44A+B... Don't you dare overuse it and get everyone wise to it!
 
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