Djangoknight
[10] Knight
LOLOL this is a prime example why DNS B need to be make more unsafe -16 at least or lose some of that pushback on block.
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LOLOL this is a prime example why DNS B need to be make more unsafe -16 at least or lose some of that pushback on block.
YoshiKatYoko
[09] Warrior
Invadah
NSB (or 236B)4 non-JF is 55 damage.
I'm sad about this guy Ixhizy. Seriously. If you're reading this, try reading more. ^_^ (That was annoying smiley).
NSB (or 236B)4 non-JF is 55 damage.
I'm sad about this guy Ixhizy. Seriously. If you're reading this, try reading more. ^_^ (That was annoying smiley).
lxhizy
[10] Knight
OK I can't answer everyone at the same time
I agree with the fact that Raphael is the most needed character from them, but Tira, as you said, used to be a pretty strong character (I tried to main her until the patch), but now that she has been nerfed she just sucks against most top tier characters like mitsurugi.
Leixia is ANNOYING, I wouldn't call her nasty, but she's way underpowered since her strongest combos are all about 50-95 damage, while characters like natsu can hit the 100-140 and they are as fast as leixia is.
Mitsurugi needs a nerf on many of his moves JUST if they don't buff other characters (like leixia and tira). His 4B and 2KB moves are overpowered, they should be removed from his movelist. lol
Maxi, Z.W.E.I., i don't care
Nightmare is unsafe, as most of the mid to high-damage characters (like pyrrha omega, etc) but he has a lot of punisher moves which are basically easy to execute in compensation and his speed/damage are ridiculous, ALL YOU CAN DO against nightmare is guard and wait until you can punish him, but he will break your guard if you do so so he's unbalanced, he has more pros than cons.
plus he's deemed for being a cheap character by many users from the community, just like astaroth, but this one would be an overpowered one.
I agree with the fact that Raphael is the most needed character from them, but Tira, as you said, used to be a pretty strong character (I tried to main her until the patch), but now that she has been nerfed she just sucks against most top tier characters like mitsurugi.
Leixia is ANNOYING, I wouldn't call her nasty, but she's way underpowered since her strongest combos are all about 50-95 damage, while characters like natsu can hit the 100-140 and they are as fast as leixia is.
Mitsurugi needs a nerf on many of his moves JUST if they don't buff other characters (like leixia and tira). His 4B and 2KB moves are overpowered, they should be removed from his movelist. lol
Maxi, Z.W.E.I., i don't care
Nightmare is unsafe, as most of the mid to high-damage characters (like pyrrha omega, etc) but he has a lot of punisher moves which are basically easy to execute in compensation and his speed/damage are ridiculous, ALL YOU CAN DO against nightmare is guard and wait until you can punish him, but he will break your guard if you do so so he's unbalanced, he has more pros than cons.
plus he's deemed for being a cheap character by many users from the community, just like astaroth, but this one would be an overpowered one.
Paranormal_Oreo
[12] Conqueror
Even if you don't do the AT, it still does 30 damage. Thats amazing for an i14 punisher.
Damaging attacks that are safe: 4[A], 4[A]A, 66B, 44A, 6B BE, 4B, 22_88B(semi safe), DNS K, and more.
lxhizy
[10] Knight
i'm not talking about myself, most of pyrrha/oprah users can't execute the 236b:4 since it's a precise move, which does 5# damage, I don't truly consider 60- as a high damage move.
Solo
[14] Master
How about we remove PyrrhaO's DNS B and NS B? Removing B&B tools is never a good thing.
Every good character has "more pros than cons" including your PyrrhaO if you played her properly. Also, define "cheap". Does "cheap" just mean "Utilizing a tactic that the opponent of said person does not comprehend and cannot counter do to ignorance."?
YoshiKatYoko
[09] Warrior
Here's a fact:
Don't rely on damage and numbers too much. You get most stuffs in skills, not the damage it self. 'Cause if you have a skill, you don't worry much about damage at all, 'cause you get more damage when you actually get strategies and skills (not at all times can be true)
Just frame or not, it still gets good damage. 65 dmg (NSB:4) or 55 dmg (NSB4) is very high for an i14 punisher. That's not already a combo, and just a single attack .
Don't rely on damage and numbers too much. You get most stuffs in skills, not the damage it self. 'Cause if you have a skill, you don't worry much about damage at all, 'cause you get more damage when you actually get strategies and skills (not at all times can be true)
Just frame or not, it still gets good damage. 65 dmg (NSB:4) or 55 dmg (NSB4) is very high for an i14 punisher. That's not already a combo, and just a single attack .
lxhizy
[10] Knight
I clearly know both pyrrhas are high to top tiers, but nightmare is still better against most characters
this topic is about balance, if you talk about balance there should not be "good" nor bad characters, if pyrrha omega doesn't get any buff, nightmare must get nerfs or vice versa
OF COURSE it's almost impossible to get every character at the same tier level, but the difference between them must be reduced as much as possible
InvadahSC
[08] Mercenary
If the topic was balance, you should be saying OPyrrha is getting a nerf, not a buff. lol.
ChaosK
[13] Hero
This is sad. Meh at least he got (some of) the mitsu stuff right.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
I already got a "scrub sig" from just today. Thats my limit.
Solo
[14] Master
How the hell is NM better than the Pyrrhas? Also by your logic Mistu, Nightmare, aPat, Natsu, Astaroth, Algol, Pyrrha, PyrrhaO, Pat, Viola, Yoshi, Z.W.E.I, and Cervantes need to be nerfed.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
lxhizy
[10] Knight
I would happily agree in that if nightmare and mitsurugi get nerfed as well, every top tier character, except for alpha patroklos, should be nerfed actually
YoshiKatYoko
[09] Warrior
I love you HRD, no homo. Now I get myself to be famous because of your sig arghhh.
I didn't know what you did there, actually.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
Dude.....just stop typing. Youre making this worse! Just stop it!!
lxhizy
[10] Knight
aPat is very hard to use, so his damage is understable, yoshimitsu as well
Cervantes isn't top tier, so i don't have any trouble against him
Z.W.E.I., i don't really know much about this character but I win almost every match I use him
Wandrian
I don't know.
I disagree. Tira's my main and I recognize that she has an arsenal of several *VERY* good tools at her disposal. The only thing she's really lacking is range and the fact that Jolly is something holding her back from being
I don't agree, for the reasons I've already stated.
Nah. A lot of his moves have considerable downsides to them. Like 2KB is unsafe on hit, if he doesn't kill or knock you down with it you can immediately counter with a launcher.
I think you're underestimating his lack of safety. Try staying in his face and mixing up lows, throws, pokes, and launchers. He'll have to gamble agA, A+B or another "get the fuck off me!" kind of move and if he guesses wrong you're still in his face, beating him into the ground. He guesses right? You just have to watch out for his anti-wakeup game and get back in his face.
This is one of the cases where skill makes the biggest difference. When facing better players, Nightmare's lack of safety really comes back to bite him. The same goes for Astaroth, who also has to deal with most of his attacks being very VERY slow.
"Cheap" is not a valid argument in terms of this discussion. Anything that is "cheap" is just a tactic you don't yet know how to handle and are using excuses to brush it off instead of learning to deal with. Go into Training Mode and set the bot to use anything you deem to be cheap. There's always a way around it, and most things that may seem cheap have some hefty downsides to them.
Honestly, this is why everyone's giving you a hard time too. You've come into this discussion claiming that things should be how you want them and it's clear to most everyone involved that you don't fully understand yet, so everyone's viewing your suggestions as a joke. How do you change that? Put the work in to understanding it, read up on all the info available here and really learn the game. It's not going to be something you can do in a single sitting or even, say, a month. It takes a considerable investment to get better. Whether or not it's worth it is up to you.
Paranormal_Oreo
[12] Conqueror
Raph doesn't need a damage buff. He's a fencer not a powerhouse. Tira can still get 100 meterless damage without a wall. Btw, almost everybody sucks vs the top tier characters. Thats why they're top tier. Just wanted ya to know.
Anyone can be considered annoying. Yeah, about that damage thing, Leixia's strongest combo is 194 I think damage. Just a little over 50-95. Juuuuust a little. You shouldn't give her a damage buff. If she did, she would soooo good since she can already break your guard guage in the first round. She'd be much to good for non-Leixia lover's liking.
Not even going to say anything about the NM part. Lol Its just sad. Oh yeah... I've had people call my Raph cheap and overpowered lol
Solo
[14] Master
Difficulty in execution isn't a factor when determining tiers, seems you don't understand that. Oh and fight a good Cervantes player, you'll learn quite a bit.
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