Ivy matchups discussion and strategies

S0ULA55A51N said:
Ivy does have tech-traps and combos lol.

There is imo no need to do 214B after 3K on hit. Because 3K on hit is +6 I would rather go for a frame trap (BB, 6KB...) or a mix-up. Using 214B after a blocked 3K makes more sense, because you're at -6. 2K is -2 on hit, so I think 214B after it isn't a bad decision. But u can't spam 214B the whole day. E.g. Sieg, Yoshi and NM have all 3K (mid, horizontal kick); they all beat 214B and are safe and 214B is -14 on block. 214B isn't imo a bad move, but it shouldn't be overused.
Ivy has other defensiv options, when she's at frame disadvantage e.g. 3B, 4K, 7_8_9B, 88B, 4A, backstep, JG, GI...(I'm sure I forgot some).

I believe most Ivy players agree with me, that 3B is NOT a terrible move. Imo it's one of her best moves she has. It has TS, TC(although it's not reliable) it's only -10 on block, gives KND on NH, and combos at CH into 6B8 for 74 dmg. CH3B~6B8 BE leads to a w!, which can lead to wall combos over 100 dmg.
Why do u assume that your opponent keeps blocking after 2K? It's -2 on hit and can be punished on block.

When you think your opponent is going for a e.g. Ivy 2K after your own 2K, there is also 7_8_9A(for frame advantage), 7_8_9K(for KND or w!). 7_8_9Kw!>2A+B>6B8 BE.... leads to a 100dmg+ combo.

You omitted the use of 4B, because it's slow? It's i11 (her fastest move) and BB is an i15 safe mid with a long animation compared to other BBs, which helps to buffer CS.
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Nah, it's all about the pattern. 3k is beautiful on block, I rather bait a retaliatory punish, than look for an opening with Ivy in this one. Thankfully verticals are the quickest punishers, push me right into safety, and eat 214Bs for breakfast. 50/50 poke mix ups are strong with Ivy in this one. I'll flux a 3B in with 214B, if I can't trade a soul gauge eating vertical to push me to safety.

You don't want to be in any player's field of close range options for longer than a few seconds.

I do other things, like 3 AB+B or whichever the notation is, on an opponent's tech roll backwards. (It's caught you a few times Lol) But pokes-to-go are the core of my metagaming.

4k, -shudder- I refuse, too slow/linear. Speaking of slow, I meant BB was slow, 4B is risky, I should of clarified.
 
I'm really picky, I'm aware, truth is, nothing's good. I can't help being an Ivy player though.

3k/2k is good for conditioning an opening, because they are practically her safest moves.

I miss SCIV Ivy, so much safety. But alas, SCIV is over.

@bushindu

Lolno. I'm happy with my cheesy Ivy.
I'll play like a square if it lets me win.

The day CH bK B+K 6b8 BE 9+BK becomes a combo, I may take more risks.
 
its not a case of nothing good, 3b is an amazing move TC TS launch with potential for nice damage, RO, or huge wall combo.
4k TC on counter nice damage
BB good for interrupting, buffering
4B hmmm this shit would hit sonic
could you record one of your matches, I wanna see what you actually do
 
Speaking of risky things.

44B CS/AG+ABK mix ups are fun, it's an impractical move, but all things risky are.
4B+K on a person who's one hit away from a guard burst is a beautiful freebie.
Run up 66B/run grab 50/50s (Enjoy getting SS'd though)
Technically a tech, that's I've technically mentioned, but 3A+B B on a backwards techroller before they stand (safe)
214a (G) cancel for a CH 6KB for more partial blasphemy that seldom works, I sometimes bait a CH from a 66k from mid range,

but like I said, all this stuff sucks. I wouldn't do it on a good player. Cept maybe 66b/grab 50/50s

And to whoever said buffer a CS from a BB, no.. just no.
I'd only buffer CS from guarding an opponents attack, and that's still risky, you never know when someone's done with a "gatling"

It'd be hella nice if I could CE from 44B, goddammit would it be so nice, everyone would duck that shit into a free crumple juggle.

But I'll work with what I got.

Ha, if I can find someone with a capture card that's actually working.
 
I know I was going to eat a learn-your-notations eventually -.-

Yes to the UB, first hit to break the guard, second hit of course is a fully charged launch.

Maybe someone can teach me how to insert the buttons I sometimes see on here for notations.

CS is unsafe eitherway, unless you're buffering in a SS, which I suck at right now. Wake up CS is pretty fun once you eat a person's mix up from the floor, Voldo, cough, Voldo.

And yeah, different strokes.
 
SwordGluttony said:
And to whoever said buffer a CS from a BB, no.. just no.
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lol why not, I do it the full time BB gives 4+ on hit so you only get interrupted by a i14 move. Imo the risk worth. And even when BB goes on block just press B+G after you blocked the retaliation, CS will still come out.
 
SwordGluttony said:
Nah, it's all about the pattern. 3k is beautiful on block, I rather bait a retaliatory punish, than look for an opening with Ivy in this one. Thankfully verticals are the quickest punishers, push me right into safety, and eat 214Bs for breakfast. 50/50 poke mix ups are strong with Ivy in this one. I'll flux a 3B in with 214B, if I can't trade a soul gauge eating vertical to push me to safety.

You don't want to be in any player's field of close range options for longer than a few seconds.

I do other things, like 3 AB+B or whichever the notation is, on an opponent's tech roll backwards. (It's caught you a few times Lol) But pokes-to-go are the core of my metagaming.

4k, -shudder- I refuse, too slow/linear. Speaking of slow, I meant BB was slow, 4B is risky, I should of clarified.
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4B is risky? I can whiff 4B against full charge bull rush against Astaroth and still have time to block. o.O
 
Yeah, you can even do stuff like 3K or any fast attack, 4B+K cancel, JG, taunt cancel after 28284666 buffer during BB and then B+G; CS will come out. I guarantee that it works, cuz I even did this stuff during real matches.
 
Excuse me, while I boot up my G155 and start practicing this.

bushindu said:
btw you dont have to fully charge for launch
also unsafe with 14 frames, isnt that unsafe lol, if your really that worried you can do the input, and press 66b then B+G, the 66b gives you +8 on hit, no one can react in 10 frames, the only worry would be breaking the throw.
Who uses an attack i18 from wake up, jheez your asking to get slapped on wakeup
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Nah, I like the new flame broiled Maxi, you need to make sure you have an evenly distributed cooking temperature or you'll have an unevenly produced meat. The GB gives me a good window to pre-heat 3 A+B B to 750 degrees C.
 
bushindu said:
like I said before, you dont need to fully charge 3a+B to get launch, I think you need to jump on your lil pessimistic crazy train and get back to the drawing board xD
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Nein, and I'd never do it for the launch, I'd do it for the damage.

As I said before, 3a+b b is only good for those tech rolling backwards.
It's just guaranteed damage with GB.
 
SwordGluttony said:
Nein, and I'd never do it for the launch, I'd do it for the damage.

As I said before, 3a+b b is only good for those tech rolling backwards.
It's just guaranteed damage with GB.
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not much damage tbh, why not on GB do 2A+B for bounce then 1B BE if you want, to 6b8
or 3B 6b8BE etc
 
I think he means 44B+K not 3A+B, because that would make more sense. 44B+K first hit GBs and the fully charged versoin gets guanrateed.
 
SwordGluttony said:
3k/2k is good for conditioning an opening, because they are practically her safest moves.
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These are both steppable, not to mention 2K is jumpable and unsafe on block. They can also be JG'd, making both punishable. This will leave 2A as your only safe move. But hey, that's also jumpable and susceptible to GI's. If you keep worrying about pure safety, you'll end up only using the G button. Trust me, I know.
 
bushindu said:
but he said he doesnt do till launch ;p
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You're misreading me, Soul got it right.

KineticClash said:
These are both steppable, not to mention 2K is jumpable and unsafe on block. They can also be JG'd, making both punishable. This will leave 2A as your only safe move. But hey, that's also jumpable and susceptible to GI's. If you keep worrying about pure safety, you'll end up only using the G button. Trust me, I know.
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Unfortunately I know, Nuprophett was dodging most of my little annoying kick strings, also nullified 214b with Oprah at that, back to the drawing board. I'll take risks, but they at least have to have founded. Ashame she doesn't have one decent mid horizontal.
 
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