Rise of Leixia!

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ZeroEffect317 said:
Or better yet, would it make you pick her back up again after dropping her?
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No, but the skills I picked up in my time learning to use Patroklos will. :) I know that Patroklos is technically a better character, and the damage is just bonkers compared to Leixia's. He even beats her on meter gain (dat 236K). But I'm much more comfortable with Leixia and I feel like I can get the damage more often.
 
RedDjinn said:
Ive played several excellent leixias.... She isnt bad, she doesnt need big combos she kills you with pokes, throws, evasiveness, and guard crush...

High damage isnt everything.
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Its not everything, but in a game where EVERYONE has it, it gets difficult. Especially when she was the best evasion character then they nerf evasion, her special traits. Furthermore, her guard damage is only average, us Leixia players just know how to get out hits in.
 
"High damage isn't everything" - perhaps not, but in a game like SCV, characters with low damage output need to have other areas where they particularly excel in order to do well. For example, Pyrrha's general damage is pretty low (not as low as Leixia's, mind), but she makes up for that with excellent block punishment, plus excellent moves like 66A (fast, kills step, decent damage, safe and even tech crouches!) and 22K (tech steps by default, of course, but also tech crouches, safe and leads to a combo on hit), and thus ends up being a decent upper-mid.

Leixia, however, doesn't really have any areas that she particularly shines.

Guard pressure? Yeah, it's pretty good, but that generally works best when the character in question also has a high damage output (like Omega). Realistically you can't expect to guard crush more than once in a match, and when that happens Leixia's damage output afterwards is lacking. She gets about 67 damage without meter, and maybe 90 or so if she uses one BE. Other characters, meanwhile, can potentially get 80+ damage meterless and/or >100 with one BE.

Throws? Leixia's throws are decent, but they aren't really drastically better than anyone else's.

Pokes? Yeah, they're great frame-wise, but when other characters have good frames on their pokes AND better damage on them, Leixia just can't measure up.

And really, how many characters are there that are worse than Leixia? The only characters that are unanimously agreed to be worse than Leixia so far are Dampierre and Raphael.
 
"High damage isn't everything"

That's true, but it's what matters most imo.

Why are characters like Alpha, Cervantes or Viola generally considered top tier? Because of their safeness or their guard burst abilities or their pokes? I'd say mostly because of their great damage output and the easy way they can apply it.

Why, on the other side, are characters like Leixia or Raphael generally considered weak? Well, maybe you can find an answer.

I think it's amazing that the "general tier list" fits very much with the "damage tier list", yet people keep saying "Damage isn't everything.".
It may not be everything, but to me there's no doubt it's the most important factor.
 
Everyone bitched about Tira nerfs too, cept for some guy named Decapon...

aPAT has some of the highest damage output around... How many players are winning with him though? 2?
 
I'm tired of this shit. Seriously.

How is the number of winning players a measurement for the tier list position? You cannot believe how fucking tired I am of reading the same shit in tier discussions over and over and over again.
He's not winning every tournament - so what? Not top tier anymore? Open your eyes. How many Setsuka players were winning majors in SC4? No one? So Setsuka was low tier? And how many has Voldo won?
And I don't get that Tira reference.

And Synraii, I know that, but one strong luck-based whiffpunishment combo does not equal "high general damage output" for me...

Honestly, I don't get how anybody can claim that damage is not important without making an incredible fool out of himself.

I guess I just fail to realise something again, but I'm sure a lot of players that have spent 1% of the time with Leixia than I did will surely enlighten me soon.
 
Kalas said:
And Synraii, I know that, but one strong luck-based whiffpunishment combo does not equal "high general damage output" for me...
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I meant 11B:

11B, B!E!, 4B is 126? damage, with no luck based moves and its a good whiff punisher.

Regarding 'this character isn't winning majors so they aren't godlike' I agree with you 1000% Its such a bullshit excuse. In SCIV, Hilde didn't win EVO and Amy didn't win much at all in the last couple of years. Guess those characters just sucked... *facepalm*
 
Im purly using it as an example of people who dont bitch about their characters and decide to step up.

I didnt say damage wasnt important I just said it wasnt everything...

As for the over reaction Ill leave that alone.

Before patches I never saw whining of this compacity.... thats bullshit that IM tired of seeing...
 
Eh just be glad leixia is better than zwei.....dunno about raph tho.
 
Lol, I wasn't even complaining about Leixia in the first post! I was just referring to the "damage isn't everything"-history which is only partly true, because the damage output is quite obvious within the tier list. This is everything.

Now you come up with your "tournament win" argument and look very stupid with that.

I haven't complained once right now about Leixia. I only read shit of people that claim to know things so much better.

I'm out. I don't even know why I started posting here where, no matter what you post, you're a scrubby whiny Leixia player.
 
damage is only part of what makes a character strong, in this game.
its certainly not a deciding factor,too many people here play theory calibur.
when you consider tiers you need to take into account their moves set and how they counter the rest of the cast.
lets put it this way if you dont get hit you dont take damage.

leixia has better mix ups than most of the cast yes she doesn't do that much damage, but in return does not have to worry about opening her open up.
i dont see why people still complain about her damage, X has always had low damage its nothing new.
with regards to alpha he does good damage but is not as well rounded as leixia.
he is so linear you could compare him to Ralph with just frames and damage lol.
 
Kalas Im pretty sure I was speaking directly to you...

The tournament statement wasnt stupid it was just to show something, 90% of people bitched about tira being straight crap after Patch, boom wins Evo... Granted Decapon is a beast but he showed Tira was still a great character.

as for the aPat comment I was simply saying how damage isnt everything, as he has the highest output of the cast yet rarly do we see him win or even in tournaments, Granted not many people play him but again was for the damage isnt everything comment.

If you didnt bitch or complain why get offended and assume Im speaking directly to you when Im not? Im simply talking to the other 60% of the Leixia forums/users that pop up everywhere saying how bad she is now.

Also no where in here have I talked about Tier placement.... You kinda started that subject on your own with the damage output talk... Id rather not get into a Tier discussion. Me saying this character isnt bad is simply my opinion from playing with 3 very good players that main her. If I hurt anyones feelings then Im sorry I forgot how sensitive X players are
 
Reave said:
I thought I was the only one who thought this. Regular Phyrra is badass.
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I was at a major on Saturday, Wil and daGOTTh think omega is better, like everyone else thought Pyrrha was better. Watching the argument while miming the Michael Jackson popcorn meme was one of my highlights of the day, haha.
 
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