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Robin said:
I guess you could say a JFT after 2B+K is legit tech trap? But this won't work on players who know you'll be trying for a 2nd attack after the 1st. Like I do 33B and then a JFT.
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You're thinking frame traps, not tech traps.
 
I tried everything, and there does not seem to be one. 2B+K is awesome for setting up frame traps, though.

Also for some reason people duck on reaction. I guess the beginning of the animation looks like 2A+B.
 
Against Nightmare teching left 1B:B doesn't seem to work. Unless I have to delay 1B:B, in which case I haven't found the timing yet.
 
I have a question:
Is there anyone has problem when input 2143B:B, I can input FC 3B:B well but I don't know why when I input 2143B:B, I usually miss the timing
And what is the frame data for 2B+K ?
 
why doesnt anyone use ring of heaven A(dont know the notation for ring of heaven stance)? It is a really good attack that should be used to get in and kill sidestep very frecuently if you ask me, because even though it is a high, it will tech jump every tech crouch without much risk, it is safe and leads to good backturned mixups.
 
Anyone know the best punishment for NM 22_88B? Seems the pushback prevents me from doing JF twister punish so I usually do 33B to punish it.
 
rurounikenshin said:
why use regular 44B+K?
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Because sometimes you'd rather play it safe and go for an easy guaranteed punish instead of trying for a JFT punish that you could easily mess up.

After 44B+K, I think bA is a tech trap if they tech left, right, or forward on every character, but the timing is very unforgiving, and if you mess up you're eating a huge punish. 33B catches back tech. IMO, it's better to just run up and force a mix-up.
 
Paragon049 said:
Because sometimes you'd rather play it safe and go for an easy guaranteed punish instead of trying for a JFT punish that you could easily mess up.

After 44B+K, I think bA is a tech trap if they tech left, right, or forward on every character, but the timing is very unforgiving, and if you mess up you're eating a huge punish. 33B catches back tech. IMO, it's better to just run up and force a mix-up.
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well, then i´d rather punish with 2143B:B, but do whatever feels right for you, just allow me to tell you that if someone is going to use alpha, it is because you have to commit to the fact that you have to punish JFT at least, most -15 moves to actually be able to do work woth him.
 
I'll use 44b+k BE to punish if their move allows it. JFT x2 is like 70 damage vs over 100 damage with 44b+k BE. So I think it's well worth it if you can use it.
 
I agree Syn it's just I always seem to have extra meter so I'll use it up if they give me a chance. 44 b+k and the BE version is awesome moves. I abuse these moves lol
 
Lol you know what I meant. 44b+k BE is the move. A 14 frame move that combos for over 100 damage on regular hit and leaves me at plus frames on block. I take that all day long.

Could some check and see if 44b+k JFT is combo? I know I've hit it just don't remember if it was tech trap. I can't check right now.
 
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