Reptile
Soul Calibur V
I have heard Team Ninja is throwing a 9000$ pot bonus for DOA5U at the Fall Classic AND a party for the players.
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate
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Force_of_Nature
[12] Conqueror
It's actually $8000.
An extra $1500 is going towards the Tag tournament courtesy of GamesterGear.
Either way this is absolutely incredible! You going to TFC?
Reptile
Soul Calibur V
I been told 8000$ of the 9000$ was for singles and the other 1000$ was for tag. Like you say either way it's absolutely amazing. And no I'm not going. I'm trying to go to NEC though and I'm getting the game tomorrow.
Force_of_Nature
[12] Conqueror
Oh, no problem dude. Good luck at NEC this Fall! For me personally, I've been having a blast with DoA5U so far. I like the improved netcode for 4 bar matches.
Amanda
[12] Conqueror
Yeah i know the Force Tech stomp gaming...
Honestly i really dont wanted Smash my opinion in here, its always the same discussions you know.
Game comes out, people complain about certain characters.
People play for a while...then find another!"annoying setup,tech whatever" from "another" character..etc etc
Its an endless cycle of discussion that goes nowhere...
Im gonna enjoy it..and yeah im gonna play Rachel and some other called "Broken" characters..to see how they work.
To get a feeling for everything...
You know..you stated earlier this...
"The community at large however isn't very bright."
Thats a nogo, just sayin`...
Cheers!
-A-
PS:Laughed about this info...yesterday i put this here up.
http://shoryuken.com/2013/09/04/arc...-alive-5-ultimate-will-include-new-character/
Its now today on SRK Mainpage hmmmmmm.....i know it was you d3v ;)
Ishimaru Jinrai
[12] Conqueror
Yeah I'm pretty much playing this over SC from here on out for a while. =D Maining Christie and Kasumi.
Xernuht
[12] Conqueror
Force techs be damned, Rachel is kinda fun.
Mila, Hitomi, Ein, and Leon can officially welcome her to Team Deathfist.
Mila, Hitomi, Ein, and Leon can officially welcome her to Team Deathfist.
Force_of_Nature
[12] Conqueror
Rachel is pretty damned crazy TBH, she's really close to the "If she touches you, you die" Tier.
Rikuto
[10] Knight
It is good to experiment.
Most people going to Rachel however, are like those during the gold rush. Many have no real skill or desire to work hard, but wish to succeed anyway. It's impossible to take them seriously.
Only a few of them will make it, whether by luck or otherwise.
It's whatever. They all play the same, they all win the same and they all lose the same. It may be ridiculous to fight by the numbers, but at least it keeps the strategy simple to combat it. No need to stress on the details.
Force_of_Nature
[12] Conqueror
What about people that have decided to use her before her bullshit had been discovered? Are they now supposed to switch to a lower tiered in order to show that they "have skill"?
Reptile
Soul Calibur V
Kasumi for life. FoN, I'm coming for you. I remember that Ayane beating from T13 casuals :) Can't wait to play again.
Ghengis_John
[13] Hero
If you ask that Rikuto will only command you to play Bayman.
d3v
[10] Knight
Actually saw the link on the SRK forums. I actually don't check 8WR as much.
Xernuht
[12] Conqueror
No, they just keep playing her and beat whatever anti-Rachel tech comes their way.
Or wait for the eventual nerfing from butthurt Twitterers next patch.
Rikuto
[10] Knight
No, they are welcome to do whatever they want.
But they have dug their own graves, after a fashion. To pursue Rachel now is to brave incoming nerfs (and thereby losing time invested in a potentially worthless character), as well as use the same exact strategy as every other player. It may be powerful, but if everyone is used to it, just how effective will it be when it comes down to the wire?
Silent Joel
[12] Conqueror
What's the verdict on online?
LP
Premium Member
The thing about things like that is that players don't have to go by a flowchart. Beyond that, by the advantage inherent, there's usually more pressure on the player on defense to act (and thus act incorrectly) than there is on the offensive player. Couple this with the fact that things like this usually put you back in the same situation and don't net you as much gain as the offensive player and you have a lot of room for silliness.
It's really one of the main reasons fighting games have become a joke to me (a fun joke but a joke nonetheless). I mean, strip them down to their base level and, most of the time, the best stuff is stuff that is a result of a guess with high yield in reward and low risk or stuff your opponent simply can't deal with, whether it be because of character design or general game design.
Still, I guess that's also one of the charms of fighting games for most people. EDIT: A case in point being a game like UMC3, which lots of competitive FG players love where the offense is usually silly, safe, and has variables during it which can prolong it until your opponent finally guesses wrong. I guess two of the saving graces for that game is that, generally, the best characters can match the damage done on offense by a correct guess and throws generally aren't very amazing in that game. Still, I guess I'm a hypocrite when it comes to this because I actually like watching Chris G play (and his team is an example of exploiting things other characters can't generally do much about).
Realize, also, that I don't know anything about this DoA stuff. I'm just talking about fighting games in general.
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d3v
[10] Knight
Then you just do your best to become better at it then anyone else. Look at Japanese 3rd Strike, alot of players pick Chun come major tournament time, but no one plays her as well as MOV (to the point where it feels like the match up chart changes when he's playing her).
Because, when you think about it, it's easier to defend than to attack. You're either just holding down+back or guard.
As for "putting you back in the same situation," that's just what good players do. High level play is all about minimizing your risks and maximizing your reward. In fact, it's like this in most competitive exercises, be it fighting games or chess or what have you.
What you call a "guess" is to those playing it actually a read. A good part of competitive fighting games (and competitive gaming in general) is about learning to read your opponent. What may seem like a random guess could actually be someone figuring out their opponents patterns and habits.
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LP
Premium Member
The argument of defense is good and all until you realize that you also have throws, which equalizes the playing grounds (though most fighting games as of late have seemingly tried to diminish the power of throws in order to increase the power of blocking/defensive play).
Part of the 'minimizing your risk' greatly entails eliminating the amount of guesswork you're burdened with and taxing your opponent opponent with a greater amount (with the holy grail of this being having something that's guaranteed).
And, no, a 'read' is a guess. There's no way you can be sure your 'read' will work. There may be things that give cause for you to believe that you're guess is more or less likely to be correct, but it's still a guess. One of the things I do a lot in SC is do the same thing over and over again so that my opponent thinks I'm being predictable in order to get them to do some action I want them to, which in itself may or may not work. It's like a hypothesis in that, no matter how much you know before hand, you can't hold that it's true until you test it. And, like those, even if it works once, it may not work again (because it was a guess in the first place, that you just so happened to get correct).
Still, like I said, I don't hate fighting games for any of this. It's part of what makes them fun, I guess.
Rikuto
[10] Knight
That's called conditioning. Yes, a large part of DOA is conditioning. It's also realizing when you've accidentally conditioned your opponent to exploit your own weaknesses.
Then you have to determine whether or not they are the kind of personality that is also attempting to condition you. Then you have to determine whether or not they are capable of recognizing their pattern has been spotted before you've exploited it and are going to change it up.
And then you have to double check and make sure that this is actually the case, and they were not just hitting buttons in an arbitrarily random fashion which made it seem like this was the case.
It's a shame you can't figure any of this out without taking some damage first. That is, if anything, the biggest flaw to fighters at the moment.
Then you have to determine whether or not they are the kind of personality that is also attempting to condition you. Then you have to determine whether or not they are capable of recognizing their pattern has been spotted before you've exploited it and are going to change it up.
And then you have to double check and make sure that this is actually the case, and they were not just hitting buttons in an arbitrarily random fashion which made it seem like this was the case.
It's a shame you can't figure any of this out without taking some damage first. That is, if anything, the biggest flaw to fighters at the moment.