Yoda and Vadar: Regional / Nationals presents

Vadar and Yoda: Regional and National Presents

  • Ban both Vadar and Yoda

    Votes: 127 36.9%

  • Keep Vadar and ban Yoda

    Votes: 91 26.5%

  • Keep Yoda and ban Vadar

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Keep both Vadar and Yoda

    Votes: 123 35.8%
  • Total voters
    344
  • Poll closed .
Lets ban Lizard Man because you can't throw him from his crawl stance. Lets ban Voldo because you can't throw him from Mantis. Lets ban Siegfried because you can't throw him from Base Hold. Let's ban X because she can attack you from downed position(cry baby) and you can't throw her. Did I forget any tech crouching stances?
 
Lets ban the whole cast except for Yoda because their Soul Gauge depletes slower than his.

Yoda vs. Yoda mirror matches... TRUE Soul Calibur.
 
Dude, at one point I recall people bitching about Nightmare at least a month into the game WTF! I could care less what the community decides to do. Whether Yoda/Vader end up being banned or not, I'm not gonna bitch about it lol. It's a game. As long as the circumstances when fighting either character are fair then I could care less. As far as my opinion on the two? Vader is actually good, Yoda isn't good enough. Yeah you can't throw him, but he telegraphs his giving you an open invitation to duck. Most of his crap can be SS or ducked. Shitty unblockables, Shitty lows, so if you lose to him in an offline setting you have only yourself to blame. So it's annoying to fight him. Well so are some of the regular members of the cast. Sophie can punish a whole load of crap for tons of damage and little effort LET'S BAN HER lol jk. The point is, with the exception of a ridiculous Hilde and Kilik, all you have to do is invest maybe an hour of your time in familiarizing yourself with Yoda or Vader and you'll be ok. You get the idea.

Btw.....Any character that can spend a week turtling at the back of a stage with Street fighter projectiles littering the screen, meanwhile all you have in your defense is a melee weapon, SHOULD BE BANNED. This isn't Marvel vs. Capcom where you can moon jump over half the shit thrown at you otherwise Algol would be fair game. So get over it.
 
Ceirnian said:
True, but I at least know the name of the stance the people who want to ban a bunch of characters is called.

Scrub stance.
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I hear ya. Apprentice, Yoda, Vader, Algol and bonus characters? I can see banning Algol and Yoda, but c'mon now.

"They aren't Soul Calibur characters and shouldn't be in the game ... even though they were put there"
 
All I've really learned from this debate is that it's the same as it is in politics. No matter how rational one's reasoning, you are always going to fall victim to the irrational people who vote based on feeling. When the issue is purely one of balance, Yoda's allowed all the time. I'd love to take up the debate on Algol again, too, but apparently, he's also victim to the same thing of "it's not 'SC' style, it's not allowed."

Irrational people make the rules. Deal with it. Yoda's banned, and it's only a matter of time before Hilde gets banned. She's the only new character still around. Everyone else, well they were around unbanned before, so they will stay that way.
 
Organous said:
All I've really learned from this debate is that it's the same as it is in politics. No matter how rational one's reasoning, you are always going to fall victim to the irrational people who vote based on feeling. When the issue is purely one of balance, Yoda's allowed all the time. I'd love to take up the debate on Algol again, too, but apparently, he's also victim to the same thing of "it's not 'SC' style, it's not allowed."

Irrational people make the rules. Deal with it. Yoda's banned, and it's only a matter of time before Hilde gets banned. She's the only new character still around. Everyone else, well they were around unbanned before, so they will stay that way.
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It's not the fact that these people are irrational as you claim. They just share a difference in opinion. I already stated that as far as Yoda and Vader are concerned, I could care less whether or not they decide to ban them. I don't see either one as broken. But Algol in the hands of an expert is ridiculous. Hilde could be argued that she needs patching because of her RO game. But I'm no one to say honestly.
 
I have yet to see a good response from any Algol supporters defending the fact that his bubbles block the camera. Glitches in the previous SC's that screwed with the camera even for brief periods were instantly banned. No questions asked. But it's ok for Algol to have a giant bubble randomly in front of the camera blocking the view?? Saying that it affects both players doesn't count either, because that argument didn't hold in the previous SC's where camera breaks were banned. There's no excuse for supporting something that can block the view of the fight like that.

If it were up to me Algol would be allowed but would get a soft ban on his slow bubbles. So 4[A+B] and 6[A+B] would be banned. It's not hard to avoid using those moves.
 
Blocking the screen with bubbles isn't something that happens a lot, and in fact its only for an instant so I don't see a problem with it. If it were some intentional glitch people could do then sure I could understand banning it... but this is a whole character being banned for something so minor. It's bullshit.
 
Organous said:
No matter how rational one's reasoning, you are always going to fall victim to the irrational people who vote based on feeling.
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I could've sworn that ultimately all decisions must be made with a bit of gut feeling behind it, no matter how informed you are. What good is 100% theory if it doesn't fit in with the current circumstances? The people have spoken, good for them.

By the way, I agree with OOFMATIC because he is great.
 
algol's bubbles cannot "break" the camera like say, Zas glitch throw into glitch throw did in SC3 in which the camera just stops moving and zas was able to walk off the screen etc

bubbles blocking the screen is just a "random" factor of the game, like the slowdown near walls on the PS3 version on some stages. does that mean we ban those stages? no, because it really is not a big issue, the match goes on. (I am aware some people are in favor of banning these stages, which also happen to be the more visually pleasing stages of the game, and thus, I hereby give these people the finger)
 
Ceirnian said:
Blocking the screen with bubbles isn't something that happens a lot, and in fact its only for an instant so I don't see a problem with it. If it were some intentional glitch people could do then sure I could understand banning it... but this is a whole character being banned for something so minor. It's bullshit.
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It doesn't always happen only for an instant. I've seen a bubble block most of the camera for a second or more before, and even losing a second in the game to something so silly can turn the tides against you. And it's not something that happens ALOT, but as long as the Algol player is abusing lots of bubbles there is a good chance that it will happen at least once every match. I personally find bubbles blocking the screen to be quite annoying, and I'm an Algol player myself.

Another thing that I don't see how you guys can support are the random bubbles that bounce back off walls and hit you. It's silly.
 
OOFMATIC said:
It doesn't always happen only for an instant. I've seen a bubble block most of the camera for a second or more before, and even losing a second in the game to something so silly can turn the tides against you. And it's not something that happens ALOT, but as long as the Algol player is abusing lots of bubbles there is a good chance that it will happen at least once every match. I personally find bubbles blocking the screen to be quite annoying, and I'm an Algol player myself.

Another thing that I don't see how you guys can support are the random bubbles that bounce back off walls and hit you. It's silly.
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Well the bubbles are mass oof, so it prupsoe is to bang off a wall, and hit in the back. I don't find it silly at all to tell you the truth. I think it was cool and funny at the same time. an the bubbles blockign the screen one I disagree with you on that my friend. I think a second or two isn't going to hurt you in the long run. I have seen that happen, but if it chances are 15% a match, then what is the point. I know the screen stuff is silly, but it a video game why would we want realism anyway while we fight?

CY
 
It's not random since it will happen every single time the same way if you shoot them towards a wall. In fact you can still GI those and they will keep going the same direction, back towards Algol. I'm not going to theory fighter all day since it's pointless, however my statement is completely true. No big deal to me. Also, a second = an instant. It's not like you have a bubble freezing the camera or blocking out the view for seconds at a time consistently.

Losing a second due to the screen being blocked (Only seen it a few times ever even with lots of bubble being shot) isn't something to ban a character over. That's just a minor annoyance that people should shrug off. It takes more than a few petty things that you dislike to ban a character ususally... unless you have some ban happy people in charge who are scared about the game becoming broken. Only reason this community wants to ban everything before even giving it a chance is because of SC3 and again... that's bull shit. VC is a whole different monster than what is being tackled with Algol, Yoda, Vader and hell even the bonus characters. All of the reasons to ban them have been extremely weak and petty.

I can't wait till people try to ban Hilde or even start trying to ban some stages. Will be lovely to see how this mini-smash community ends up in the long run. Hell at least the smash players have been bitching to ban an actual top tier character that is dominating the tournament scene.

Hopefully more regions will allow at least Algol, Yoda and Vader into tournaments. Otherwise people will keep being afraid of the mythical 'perfectly played Algol' that I hear is unbeatable.
 
Ceirnian said:
It takes more than a few petty things that you dislike to ban a character ususally... unless you have some ban happy people in charge who are scared about the game becoming broken.
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I disagree. Ban any and all nonsense ASAP. Sophitia's 236236B does 80dmg with the perfect just frame. WTF. Obviously Namco was waiting for us to ban it so they can treat us with more respect for the next iteration of SC which will be more balanced, and thus, require us to ban less stuff. They're just looking out for us, and so far we're doing okay... SC4 is a test to see if we will ban Yoda and Vader. Luckily, the polls are doing well. Japan is proud of us.


/In case you're wondering, I also happen to believe that extraterrestrials are watching over Earth but haven't shown themselves yet because they're waiting for us to ban warfare, corruption, and treating each other with disrespect... similar to how Japan is treating us with SC4 and seeing if we will ban the silliness. Pretty sure Japanese people are aliens, too. Anyway, this is only my credible opinion on the matter.

 
Um, as much as I love the debate on Algol/Bonus, this doesn't seem the right place for that. This thread is about Yoda. If you wanna debate him again, we can have another thread, but this thread looks like it went seriously off-topic.
 
Ok after discussing with Organous, I've seen both sides. But in all honesty, when has a boss character EVER been deemed tourney legal. That's like if you were to play a KOF '98 tournament and all the sudden, they allowed Krizalid as a legal pick. If you've ever played that game or the whole series in general, seeing as KOF's boss characters have almost always been so overpowered to the point of guaranteed loss depending on the difficulty settings, then you'd understand. Fighting games in general have always had boss characters that bent the rules of the game itself. Hence why they are referred to as BOSSES. Because they'd be broken under any other standard besides what they are. Next I'll be hearing that Jinpachi is allowed in DR tournaments lol. I would shoot whoever had the nerve to pick him if that were the case but thankfully he's SOOO overpowered that it not even debatable. But I digress, there is always going to be a difference in opinion. Just the way it is. But bare in mind, if more people are leaning towards banning said characters then maybe the ones who say otherwise should try seeing it from both sides of the spectrum. Seeing as you can't really understand how it feels until you've experienced it first hand. Let that marinate for a while. Then maybe we could all come to some mutual agreement rather than clash and demean each other as some individuals on this here thread have outwardly done. ;)
 
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