VS Kilik

Kilik gets 3kB off aB, wsA, and 6A+B:B

He also gets 130+ damage if he blocks iGDR.

Something I haven't seen anybody mention yet is fighting at midrange; Cervy can beat a lot of Kilik's midrange stuff with GDR/iGDR. Cervy can also go for 4B+K (the backwards teleport) and attempt to punish a whiff (you won't have to worry about Asura cause Kilik can't parry from the back).

Also, you guys need to check out Kilik's frame data and see what's punishable. Cervy is one of the only chars in the game that can punish Kilik HARD for certain things, so test stuff out!

Finally, there shouldn't be any reason why Cervy would lose to Asura spam. he punishes this way too hard AND he has a good step. Make the fake Kilik players use it smartly (but then again, if you've gotten to this point, you've already won) :D

this matchup is 50/50
 
How does he get 130+ off a blocked iGDR? Just curious. And relying on iGDR to win you a matchup is a really flawed strategy, considering you get MAX 58-59 damage when you hit, and theoretically are losing 130+ when you miss or have it blocked.

I'm just not seeing where Kilik really needs to take any risks in this matchup aside from Asura, wheras Cervy has to rely on risky moves to counter most of this shit.
 
Indeed, Kilik is hardly punishable except for Asura dance.

I would like to know this 130+damage combo as well.

As Cervantes, using regular Kicks are fine vs Kilik, i personally use iWS K and 3K a lot.
 
A+B, 3BB, 6AAA ---> 120-132 damage depending on armor missing, etc.

You can also do A+B, 66Bx2 ---> 91-100 damage

fishing for GDR/IGDR at midrange is not a flawed strat if you're punishing whiffs, which Cervy excels at...
 
A+B~3BB~6AAA is 103 Damage, which is a really fucked up punishing option. worse than Algol.

BUT, of course we as Cervantes players can go for iGDR~28B, which can also be delayed.

So Kiliks A+B will whiff or do about 20 Damage, if you can see whether Cervy 28Bs or not, of course you can change your punishing option. Since 28B leaves you in tech crouch, A+B wont work.

You can run towards Cervantes and go for 4A+BB for 80 Damage. But i highly doubt that you can see and react immediately to the given situation, the 103 Damage option can be easily avoided by going for 28B.

A throw attempt will whiff, A+B whill whiff, the only thing you can do is run towards Cervantes and punish with 4A+B or Asura. but you have to judge the situation right after iGDR, which costs a few frames that could save us Cervyplayers a lot of Health...

So i would recommend a good Mixup between iGDR and iGDR~28B, which will complicate the punishing game of Kilik, maybe lead to whiffs that save your ass. if he immediately goes for A+B, it will whiff and you have time to recover, a throw will whiff etc etc. If he waits whether you 28B or not, maybe he loses the few frames he needs to hit A+B.
 
docvizzo said:
A+B~3BB~6AAA is 103 Damage, which is a really fucked up punishing option. worse than Algol.

BUT, of course we as Cervantes players can go for iGDR~28B, which can also be delayed.

So Kiliks A+B will whiff or do about 20 Damage, if you can see whether Cervy 28Bs or not, of course you can change your punishing option. Since 28B leaves you in tech crouch, A+B wont work.

You can run towards Cervantes and go for 4A+BB for 80 Damage. But i highly doubt that you can see and react immediately to the given situation, the 103 Damage option can be easily avoided by going for 28B.

A throw attempt will whiff, A+B whill whiff, the only thing you can do is run towards Cervantes and punish with 4A+B or Asura. but you have to judge the situation right after iGDR, which costs a few frames that could save us Cervyplayers a lot of Health...

So i would recommend a good Mixup between iGDR and iGDR~28B, which will complicate the punishing game of Kilik, maybe lead to whiffs that save your ass. if he immediately goes for A+B, it will whiff and you have time to recover, a throw will whiff etc etc. If he waits whether you 28B or not, maybe he loses the few frames he needs to hit A+B.
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Can't Cervy do this mixup and avoid punishment against the rest of the chars?
 
I raped Kowtow with Kilik, that's why's he's crying now. When I was the first to post that Kilik is top-tier, he talked the most shit.


lol scrub.
 
Kilik is a good character but top tier is still up to debate. Kilik vs cervantes is 50/50 like wingzero said. wsB is very stepable and iGDR is a great option against kilik because if a kilik player is trying to keep you out and whiffs cervantes is one of the only characters that can punish him. Also you can aB kilik to punish alot of things if you are afraid of doing iGDR. Also iTP is very useful against kilik up close since Kilik in general is a slow character he wont be able to hit you out of iTP and you'll be able to get the iTP BT:B+K when Kilik is trying to set up his WS game against you.

The 28B after iGDR prevents a lot of the major retaliation options for many characters if they attempt to attach right after blocking a iGDR. So its a mixup for the person blocking iGDR. The recovery for the 28B is still pretty bad.

Best thing to do against kilik is whiff punishing/block punishment which is what cervantes should be doing anyways :op
 
Kilik might be a good character, but slapping and poking with a big stick doesn't make you top tier. =_=
 
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