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Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

What's much, much worse than 1 hit KOs in other games? I'm interested in knowing exactly. More to the point: what real "strategies" can you do to win other than simply be perfect... considering people aren't perfect??? Please enlighten me.

LOL at Fuzion's last post. Good read.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Apparently I'm not good at the game and my character does all the work for me. Mmmm these tears are delicious.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Nobody said hilde player sux and u indeed dont when u can match the skill of alexJ using asta (best counter pick to hilde).

But hilde still is broken vs more than 90% of the soulcalibur cast and is totally depending on the randomness of the stage.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

As I said, even on a walled stage Hilde is still an extremely good character. Yes I do believe her ringout game is abit absurd at times and wouldn't mind much if C2AA was patched to not ring people out on air hit. However without that she is still a beast of a character.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Ceirnian I know you're a great player.

This discussion fails both ways, though. If a group of serious players wanted to play this game competitively in order to judge more accurately who the better player is, they wouldn't let such atrocious gray areas be allowed... because it's glaringly overpowered... any way you slice it.

But because the community will never be that hardcore, in my eyes, it doesn't really matter. So you might as well allow everything and let the best of the best be a mystery. The best you can do, IMO, is just "seem" to be a good player, from as many angles as possible (and to me, that means being consistent amongst all the good players you have a chance to play). And then, life goes on... Soulcalibur 5.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

The flaw in that is that every fighting game will have tiers, and a loss can easily be blamed on X character being better than Y. If you want to judge who the best player then we need to ban every single character except one and see who comes out on top. However at that point you will have playstyles being to blame since some people just don't enjoy playing certain characters, or the patient turtle doesn't enjoy playing the more rushdown oriented type.

The only way to judge accurately who the better player currently is, is to let the chips fall where they may and accept who comes out on top. You don't pick and choose who is better at Soul Calibur 4 by banning everything that tips the scale, especially when there are ways to deal with those things.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

LOL @ Fuzion. Real trolls go line by line, I'm glad to see you've learned something.

Calling me stupid, sure, that's fine. Look, I'm up for discussing banning Hilde as a whole. Seriously. She is incredibly strong, she's safe, she has this doom combo etc etc. You can bring this up somewhere if you like, I'd be willing to have a, oh, CIVIL, discussion with you.

If anybody can tell me how they can enforce a BAN on this combo, let me know. If I do the combo and GIVE YOU CHANCES to escape it, and you don't, well firstly it's not a combo. But also, if I go through with the entire thing EVEN IF YOU FAIL, a judge can STILL call it as a banned combo and I will lose the round/match.

It's called a subjective ruling. A judge can STOP selection of Hilde on the character select screen. A judge can't specifically STOP or CALL the doom combo being in effect. THAT is my whole problem with this entire thread.

Hilde will still be a great character if they patch this out, and IMO they should. I think it's too good, maybe have combo hits of C2 BB not bounce into the air is the solution, but that's a discussion for yet another thread. That's something Namco needs to fix, and that's out of our hands, it belongs in a Hilde fix suggestions thread or something. Just because I defend something doesn't mean I don't mind it changing; I'm defending it because that's the way it is right now, and we need to leave it be.

We as a community, the judges who will oversee us, the tournament organizers that are doing a ton of work, we need to ask Namco to change this. But we can't put hairline decisions on the people who are running the damn thing. Ban her outright, or leave her alone, don't try to take the middle ground.

Playing on only walled stages is also an option, if the community agrees to it (I do not) then that's a solution I can accept. A judge can ENFORCE selection of a specific stage if Hilde is involved or if both players agree to it.

PS: And, after a little more thought, C2 BB not bouncing on combo hits seems like a good answer. Anybody know if it's possible to combo C3 B, 44K, C3 A, C2 BB? It also removes C3 A, C2 BB, C2 AA shenanigans, and only lets the signature C2 BB, C2 AA combo work on hit/CH. Thoughts?
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

ceirn its her relaunch that needs a patch imo, and no winning w/ her does not make you a better player.

i've been playing alot of COD:WAW lately. people like to glitch the game out so that they fall under the stage, of inside of a rock. places where they can just stand and shoot out and kill people but they cannot themselves be shot. now...that is just how the chips fall in COD:WAW. i, along with many others know how to glitch myself inside a rock, but choose not to. and guess what? for that choice i almost always lose to someone shamelessly exploiting the glitches. no offense, but it really has nothing to do with skill.

hilde is broken.

as fuck.

ignis banning hilde isn't a solution anyone is pushing for. simply her doom combo. and yes a judge CAN easily say, "you did the relaunch, you obviously meant to, you lose the round." you make it sound as if doom combo 'just happens'. when ivy's infinite was discovered, what happened? her relaunch was banned. easy fix. well i for one thought ivy's infinite was far harder to do than doom combo and would gladly have it back and allowed if i could trade them.

the only real problem here is that to much riffraff concerning banning has already gone on since SC4 day, so nobody wants to do anything, and many people are quick to say they we're all just crying and can't deal with shit. problem is this game had shitty pre-release testing and has ONLY HAD 1 PATCH. of course there is broken shit. lots of it. what we have to do is decide just what is too broken.

lol our solid AZ crew was dominated by a very good player with a one week old hilde, and we haven't really recovered. practice sessions have been reduced to us trying over and over again to beat her and over and over again losing to OHKOs. yes we know how to deal with her. yes we know her strengths and threats. no that doesn't fucking matter, she still wins. i'm to the point where if i have to play vs her i just either pick yoda and mash buttons or set the controller down and quit. not because she is unbeatable, but because beating OR losing to her bullshit is really no fun at all, which imo translates to game breaking.

hilde is capable of making me hate my favorite series ever. something X's teleport cancel couldn't do. something VC madness couldn't do. something removing my favorite character entirely couldn't do. shit i'm about to the point that i'd rather see her gone than have hwang back. that is baaaaaaaaaaad.

oh and please end the discussion of banning seesaw and labrynth. get to the root of the fucking problem. plus, i would honestly rather fight hilde in on seesaw than any other open stage. at least on there i have a chance of scoring a RO as well.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

oh please the combo is pretty obvious, watch for the flash before the move and GI the fuck out of it. I personally choose vader against hilde because i have a friend that plays a lot of hilde and I can auto GI her charge moves on reaction 90-95% of the time on a good day.

and although this should be obvious and probably all over the hilde threads dont tech after she knocks you down
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Whats the difference between a mid stage ring out and a mid stage infinite?
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Ceirnian said:
The only way to judge accurately who the better player currently is, is to let the chips fall where they may and accept who comes out on top. You don't pick and choose who is better at Soul Calibur 4 by banning everything that tips the scale, especially when there are ways to deal with those things.
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Sorry, I disagree. I think a scientific approach can be taken to decide what is necessary/unnecessary to determine the true champion... but there is no reason to do that. People compete for various reasons, not some science experiment. So the "better" player you talk about, by letting the chips fall into place, doesn't really mean anything to me.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Vincent said:
Sorry, I disagree. I think a scientific approach can be taken to decide what is necessary/unnecessary to determine the true champion... but there is no reason to do that. People compete for various reasons, not some science experiment. So the "better" player you talk about, by letting the chips fall into place, doesn't really mean anything to me.
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To a degree I can agree, but do you see what these people want to ban? Algol / Star wars / anything that gives them trouble. Part of the scientific approach is to not rush things and make premature evaluations of the thing you are studying. Obviously this hasn't been the case so far.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Yeah, it's unreasonable to assume we're all actually playing to see whose the best. But whatever, I don't care unless there's 0% chance of winning.

So, this thread must die. =(
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

This is getting ridiculous.

Ceirnian, you've gotten beat using Hilde before. A bunch of times actually.

If Hilde was so broken, quite frankly, then Ceirnian here should not be losing at all.

I saw Alex and Manta for example actually coming up with strategies of WHEN to attack a Hilde player. The times may be limited, by there ARE those times.

All I'm seeing here is that people are not willing to study Hilde to come up with a counter strategy. I said before that C3A is godly, but I didn't mean that studying the move and the character won't help counter it. ><
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Dizzynecro said:
Whats the difference between a mid stage ring out and a mid stage infinite?
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Not much really. Though, I think it is more like a deathcombo than an infinite if you want to be technical.


Vints: If you played more 2D fighters you'd know there is worse stuff. I wanted to find a certain one but I failed, so I guess we'll settle for a more recent one just for lolz.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

Word. But I guess infinites isn't what I was really thinking of, since I know it's senseless to allow (depending how viable it is). Superman deserves an infinite though. He's Superman! He also had one in the Justice League Task Force game.
 
Should Hilde Full Ring RO Combos = Banned?

yup. well thing is this is why I said hilde RO combos are more like "deathcombos" than "infinites"

deathcombos are usually legal in other games. Even relatively balanced fighting games like GGXX:AC and MOTW have viable deathcombos. Hokuto no Ken has legal death combos, SBX had a legal death combo (though no one really took that game seriously anyway)
 
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Vincent said:
Hey Tribal, in response to what you said about Hilde going to suck if her combo gets banned, please review what players better than you have said:



Hm, let's see here. Who should I listen to? Top players who win tournaments with Hilde... or some jackass that says I need to improve at beating 1 hit KOs? Please help!!
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i can deal with it just fine. i'm not the one that needs help.

ceir and i have a difference in opinion. shenyuan and i... well, let's just say he taught me a thing or two about hilde, and apparently we disagree on that as well. you missed the point i made saying that she's ass if she didn't have the juggle at all which i clarified to ceir. i don't give a shit if they take the ro ability away, but she already does shit damage, you take that juggle away completely and she's garbage.

*editted this part so as not to be a dick.*

also, let's just get something straight for the record: look at my location. it's impossible for me to enter tournaments, so let's not go there. i've been playing in tournaments for sc since sc1, and i've been in tournaments for tekken even longer than that. i'm more than familiar with both series'. i know how the games play. to say i suck, or anyone you've never played sucks, is saying more about you than me.
 
This Thread now known as"Dealing with Hilde's

Chill out, Vints.

Actually, I think this thread has long since served its purpose. If you want anti-Hilde strat discussion, feel free to create a new thread. This one has too much clutter and BS in it.

Thanks.
 
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