Balance Patch Discussion

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What could you do to ZWEI that would really improve him, but not break him though?
That's the issue. His moveset is designed to have weaknesses, remove them and you have a beast to deal with. I just think he's capped by his fundamental style tbh. =/
 
His 66B is slightly crappier than his SC4 version, the only difference is that SC5 version is not Launcher punishable and SC4 version splats the opponent on the ground not matter what.
 
Synraii said:
What could you do to ZWEI that would really improve him, but not break him though?
That's the issue. His moveset is designed to have weaknesses, remove them and you have a beast to deal with. I just think he's capped by his fundamental style tbh. =/
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I think ZWEI could be improved significantly just by giving him more meter gain and increasing the start up of his CE. With more meter he can liberally use B+K BE to do his guard break / mix up game better. Kind of use it as a ghetto version of Viola's Set 6B+K.

Force-Destruct said:
I mean Algol is good, but that guy has some glaring issues IF you play as him.
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Personally Algol always struck me as a pretty balanced character. When people tell me how good he is i just think "But he's so slow...and sluggish...Dude cant even dash". I mean he's good, But i never saw him as one of the problem characters.
 
ZWEI reminds me of MK9's Sub Zero. Sub is stuck in Mid Tier because any slight buff will make him OP and any nerf will make him Low Tier.

They're in the borderline.
 
He gets REALLY good combos from 66B with meter, but it is a death sentence on whiff, extremely linear and his stepkill is only good when he has CE2 on deck.
 
Synraii said:
He gets REALLY good combos from 66B with meter, but it is a death sentence on whiff, extremely linear and his stepkill is only good when he has CE2 on deck.
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Exactly. Only with meter is he really God-Tier like status, but two things: No meter = no damage (for the most part, barring a few exceptions) and His meter gain is ASS compared to like Patroklos, Nightmare, and Leixia
 
I think his meter gain is a little underrated, but it does take time to build and until he has it, he's working with sub SCIV Algol damage in a game where Tekken is put to shame on that front XD.
 
ChaosK said:
But its not a problem to be stuck in mid tier, no?
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Personally i think ZWEI is pretty bad. If he is mid tier it's on the very bottom of it. If even that, he's got some problems and most of them are in his play design rather than individual moves. I dont know intimately however, he's just my third alt.
 
I'm getting confused about Tira. There's one camp who agree that while she needed nerfs, she was nerfed far too hard - esp. JS. Then there's another camp that have recently been calling Tira the best thing ever to grace SCV and think she needs more nerfs....What? Are there two versions of Tira in this game or something?
 
Force-Destruct said:
Mid tier IMO is good. ZWEI sits on the other side of the "line", closer to low tier (in the eyes of the Scrub)
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Agreed. If i would make a lower mid tier i would put the following chars in it:

Zwei, Aeon, Leixia, Sieg, Ezio and Damp(?)

Imo all of the above chars have the tools to win and be good but strike me as a little below average, so i would like to see some small buffs.
The only one that really needs buffs is Raph imo.
 
ChaosK said:
Zwei, Aeon, Leixia, Sieg, Ezio and Damp(?)

Sieg

SIEG
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I was about to agree completely as well until i read this. I think if Sieg had his whiffing issues fixed he'd be amazing. I think he's pretty good now actually.

I'm with you on the Raph part though.
 
taffertier said:
I was about to agree completely as well until i read this. I think if Sieg had his whiffing issues fixed he'd be amazing. I think he's pretty good now actually.
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That might come from you maining viola though. He is a reasonable pick against her.
 
ChaosK said:
That might come from you maining viola though. He is a reasonable pick against her.
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Probably, he is a pretty good counter against her with his range and push back. Plus that 3B. I felt the same way about Nightmare as well because he was so good against her.
 
Mmm I agree with Chaos's list and I would have Sieg in lower mid too. He has the tools but he feels so limited with good ones... but yea Raph is the only one who desperately needs those buffs.
 
Raph does not need buffs, he needs a total redesign, you can't make him top or mid tier with a couple of buffs, all his gameplay is wrong.
 
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