Final Fantasy XIII

lol S-U that video is awesome, and does look about right from what i've seen. But the issue is both those Mario games are fun, and so that would mean FFXIII is fun also.

Shinobi, ya see you just said the main issue is the length people had to wait. But if that's the reason to be so scorn about it than that just means it could've/would've happened to any game that we had to wait ungodly long for. (DUKE NUKEM FOREVER IS GONNA BE RAPED) and also, lol you said produce instead of product
 
lol S-U that video is awesome, and does look about right from what i've seen. But the issue is both those Mario games are fun, and so that would mean FFXIII is fun also.

Shinobi, ya see you just said the main issue is the length people had to wait. But if that's the reason to be so scorn about it than that just means it could've/would've happened to any game that we had to wait ungodly long for. (DUKE NUKEM FOREVER IS GONNA BE RAPED) and also, lol you said produce instead of product

wasn't duke nukem forever officially cancelled? and now it's some other duke nukem game? also, the wait seems about right for a final fantasy game. how long did it take for FFxii to come out? wasn't that an ungodly amount of time as well?

dunno.. what i do know is.. VSXIII INFO COMING SOON! back to the boy band sasuke looking mofo for a main character... i'm interested in seeing this kingdom hearts take on final fantasy...
 
well for Duke Nukem not entirely correct, the production of DNF was halted til further notice, and Take-Two doesn't know if they're going to fund it anymore, but not officially cancelled.

FFXIII will have been 4 years since XII, and XII came out either 5 years after X or 4 years after XI (depending on if you're one of the XI haters that don't consider it or XiV an actual FF game) so about the same. But none the less, XII got unnecassary complaints as well for the same reason.
 
And I did the same thing with XII. Didn't pay full price for that game. Waited for it to get cheaper and got it for $20.

Only actual positive I have to say about XIII is that I'm actually enjoying the soundtrack of the game a lot outside of the retarded new victory fanfare tune.
 
This is a little of topic but..oh well

if you cant wait for (or your just not interested in) FFXIII check out White night chronicles is due out Feb 2 2010 for U.S and a little later in Feb for E.U

its an RPG by Level 5 100+ hours gameplay PLUS it also has online play and you can travel with friends completing online quests id say it gives final fantasy a run for its money.
 
Linear Experience: (I think people don't understand the extent of this problem in this particular game so I will explain)

Linear Limitations:

-The game is 99% (No Exaggeration); Proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, boss........

-The 1% that deviates from this experience is Gran Pulse (The Calm Lands looking area that was displayed in the FFXIII trailers)

-The experiences that one would experience from towns creating that feeling of "something different" is non existent as shopping, etc. is done from save points. The one or two towns that do exist is just to experience a cutscene essentially as their is no interaction with npc's.

-There are no secret locations or alternative options/choices to experience except that 1% mentioned above.

Linear limitations in a different context that add to the complaints:

-You cannot level up at ur discretion due to restrictions on the Crystarium System that only open up through checkpoints within the story.

-You are forced into party setups for a large portion of the game limiting the freedom of party selection for a good amount of the game.

-Only one character can be used in battle; the party leader. The other two are on auto pilot just like FFXII but the difference here is u cannot swap between characters at all in battle. Remember each character has one fixed summon; figuring out the rest shouldn't be hard.

-If the party leader dies its game over regardless who else is still standing.

-You cannot run from battles once initiated. Combine that with the fact that it is difficult to get around enemies and your experience becomes somewhat forced. Not to mention that battles against standard enemies average 6-7 Minutes and even longer further into the game.



Those are all the major negatives. I have some significant positive info incoming for those that are still interested in hearing it that has made the bargain bin purchase of waiting till it drops to $30 into purchasing it at $60 once again.
 
Linear Experience: (I think people don't understand the extent of this problem in this particular game so I will explain)

Linear Limitations:

-The game is 99% (No Exaggeration); Proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, boss........

-The 1% that deviates from this experience is Gran Pulse (The Calm Lands looking area that was displayed in the FFXIII trailers)

-The experiences that one would experience from towns creating that feeling of "something different" is non existent as shopping, etc. is done from save points. The one or two towns that do exist is just to experience a cutscene essentially as their is no interaction with npc's.

-There are no secret locations or alternative options/choices to experience except that 1% mentioned above.

Linear limitations in a different context that add to the complaints:

-You cannot level up at ur discretion due to restrictions on the Crystarium System that only open up through checkpoints within the story.

-You are forced into party setups for a large portion of the game limiting the freedom of party selection for a good amount of the game.

-Only one character can be used in battle; the party leader. The other two are on auto pilot just like FFXII but the difference here is u cannot swap between characters at all in battle. Remember each character has one fixed summon; figuring out the rest shouldn't be hard.

-If the party leader dies its game over regardless who else is still standing.

-You cannot run from battles once initiated. Combine that with the fact that it is difficult to get around enemies and your experience becomes somewhat forced. Not to mention that battles against standard enemies average 6-7 Minutes and even longer further into the game.



Those are all the major negatives. I have some significant positive info incoming for those that are still interested in hearing it that has made the bargain bin purchase of waiting till it drops to $30 into purchasing it at $60 once again.



What no switching characters in battle or running?This is a Final Fantasy game right?
 
Negatives: Continued

-There are no Limit Breaks in FFXIII.

Positives:
-Graphics; The reason the battle system looks good. Ex. Think FFVII 4x Cut Materia made as the standard attack system (Upgraded to 5-6 I believe) with each having their own specific animations.

-Streamlined Battle System; As a result of the Optima System (FFX-2 Jobs) the battles have been sped up making things both faster and smoother. Ex. Attacker, Blaster, Defender, Jammer, Enhancer, Healer.

-Post Game; That 1% of freedom opens up as u can go back to Gran Pulse and begin leveling up at ur discretion to tackle mob hunts (FFXII) secret locations within Gran Pulse etc. A lot of time will be invested here (50+ Hours) as there is a lot to do. Ex. Maxing out stats, Obtaining best weapons, Slaying the strongest enemies in the game, Collecting all trophies. No mini games however like FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, etc. Just fights but at least u can experience new things.

Minor Tidbits: Could interest some.
-Character Health Cap; 99,999
-Character Damage Cap; 99,999 (Genji Glove is back and allows for 999,999)
-Summon Damage Cap; 999,999

Notes: Even though the limits are raised from past FF's i'm not sure if a characters health for example can reach 99,999 even though it exceeds 9,999.



That's all and the reason for me changing my mind on possible $60 purchase instead of $30 bargain bin is because of Post Game freedom.
 
Linear Experience: (I think people don't understand the extent of this problem in this particular game so I will explain)

Linear Limitations:

-The game is 99% (No Exaggeration); Proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, proceed down long path, fight, cutscene, boss........

-The 1% that deviates from this experience is Gran Pulse (The Calm Lands looking area that was displayed in the FFXIII trailers)

-The experiences that one would experience from towns creating that feeling of "something different" is non existent as shopping, etc. is done from save points. The one or two towns that do exist is just to experience a cutscene essentially as their is no interaction with npc's.

-There are no secret locations or alternative options/choices to experience except that 1% mentioned above.

Linear limitations in a different context that add to the complaints:

-You cannot level up at ur discretion due to restrictions on the Crystarium System that only open up through checkpoints within the story.

-You are forced into party setups for a large portion of the game limiting the freedom of party selection for a good amount of the game.

-Only one character can be used in battle; the party leader. The other two are on auto pilot just like FFXII but the difference here is u cannot swap between characters at all in battle. Remember each character has one fixed summon; figuring out the rest shouldn't be hard.

-If the party leader dies its game over regardless who else is still standing.

-You cannot run from battles once initiated. Combine that with the fact that it is difficult to get around enemies and your experience becomes somewhat forced. Not to mention that battles against standard enemies average 6-7 Minutes and even longer further into the game.



Those are all the major negatives. I have some significant positive info incoming for those that are still interested in hearing it that has made the bargain bin purchase of waiting till it drops to $30 into purchasing it at $60 once again.

No, see these (bolded by myself) are not MAJOR negatives.

Linearity in general DOES NOT MATTER IF what you're playing is fun or what they are forcing you to be told is entertaining, i dunno if it all is but linearity as a whole isn't a problem. It's how it's done (again, take LoD)

What do you mean "something different" from towns? Aside from KEY towns in any other game, towns only served as save points and shops anyway, so them making save points the shops shouldn't matter, and if full blown cutscenes are what towns are reduced to it's basically the same, all depends how you view it.

Parties that are planned our for you so you only have your 3 members to use isn't a problem either, the Grandia series has built itself upon this and it's worked well for 2 1/2 games (also from Square I believe) So this is only a personal preference

Not being able to switch party members or game over with main characters death also isnt a major problem, these are both done in MegaTen games, mainly Persona and these also work fine, so FFXIII having it is again only a major preference if you dislike this style in general.

And not being able to run from battles or dodge enemies shouldn't be an issue given the fact you do get healed at the end of battle, so there shouldn't be a reason to run unless you're on a time constraint and again, if you're anywhere near a date for something you shouldn't be playing a JRPG to begin with. The battle length only matter if you don't like the battle system itself, which is again personal preference.

These are not major game issues, these are personal issues.

However, if the game is as linear as been complained about, then there isn't a reason for you to reach a level on the system from which you've been restricted from. IF you do reach skills that you cant get before a part in the story even with it's straight line, that may be an issue.
 
caref ul, if you disagree with him, you're liable to be called a Final Fantasy Fanboy.

lol well both complaints can fall under "fandom" the SUPER UNBELIEVABLE fanboys are gonna like it no amtter what, the REALLY DEVOTED Fanboys are gonna complain because it's different and the FFVII IS MY FAV GAME EVER fanboys are gonna be in between.
 
No, see these (bolded by myself) are not MAJOR negatives.

Linearity in general DOES NOT MATTER IF what you're playing is fun or what they are forcing you to be told is entertaining, i dunno if it all is but linearity as a whole isn't a problem. It's how it's done (again, take LoD)

What do you mean "something different" from towns? Aside from KEY towns in any other game, towns only served as save points and shops anyway, so them making save points the shops shouldn't matter, and if full blown cutscenes are what towns are reduced to it's basically the same, all depends how you view it.

Parties that are planned our for you so you only have your 3 members to use isn't a problem either, the Grandia series has built itself upon this and it's worked well for 2 1/2 games (also from Square I believe) So this is only a personal preference

Not being able to switch party members or game over with main characters death also isnt a major problem, these are both done in MegaTen games, mainly Persona and these also work fine, so FFXIII having it is again only a major preference if you dislike this style in general.

And not being able to run from battles or dodge enemies shouldn't be an issue given the fact you do get healed at the end of battle, so there shouldn't be a reason to run unless you're on a time constraint and again, if you're anywhere near a date for something you shouldn't be playing a JRPG to begin with. The battle length only matter if you don't like the battle system itself, which is again personal preference.

These are not major game issues, these are personal issues.

However, if the game is as linear as been complained about, then there isn't a reason for you to reach a level on the system from which you've been restricted from. IF you do reach skills that you cant get before a part in the story even with it's straight line, that may be an issue.

FF is Final Fantasy not ? rpg, ?? rpg, ??? rpg.

The series has made advances in its own right over the years that make it its own game with its own identity. Development and refinement has taken place throughout the series. FFXIII has taken a number of steps backward which in itself makes it negatives.

It isn't Grandia which u come to expect certain things, it isn't Persona which u come to expect certain things, it isn't MegaTen as u come to expect certain things. It is FF and FFXIII has gone backwards in a number of things u come to expect in the series. Proof of that is the enormous amount of bad impressions it has received already and steadily growing.

It just seems to me that fans will except whatever is thrown their way and find ways to make true negatives positives because other games have done this or that.

wutthefuck

Each character does have one special attack specific to them that they learn. But it isn't limit break related in the slightest. That's the best this game gets.

Here's hoping the hype behind FFVersus XIII ends up being something special..
 
Their summons more or less act as their "limits" in that it's their new unique special ability. Each character gets assigned one summon, each of which have a drive mode because summons are now robots in disguise...Transformers.
 
also, FF 1-6 and FF X-2 are FFs without limit breaks/trance/overdrive/quickening/desperation attack? (do we count that?). In fact FFXIII went the X-2 root for "limits" being huge summon transformation things.

i'm just glad they didn't go the XII root, the Quickenings were rediculously overpowered.
 
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