how do you train to block low on reflex ?

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hteng

[09] Warrior
yea, like the topic says, how do you do it? I can't block anything that's faster than mitsu's 1A (i17 i believe?), i can spot Sophie's 1A consistently or Asta's but not anything thats faster, stuff like 1k,2k, 2KB always hits me.
 
Mitsu's 1A is i27 or so, it's pretty easy if you just fight someone who uses it a little. Very different animaton too. If you don't have someone to practice against you can play against the comp in practice a little. It's not like fighting a real person, but the blocking works the same way. 1K is too fast to react at all I'd say and 2K is probably as well, although some people will say they can...
 
alot of incredibly fast lows look like they're being blocked on reaction, but really.. it's gotta be about 75% anticipation... even offline.
 
I know I can't block Cass and Amy's 1A's and 11A's respectively on reaction, so yes it really is on anticipation.

This particularly hurts against Amy since she gets 35 dmg off a combo from that low. ><
 
There are ways to work on your reflexes. The first and most important thing is to train your brain to look for the visual clue of certain lows- good reactions tend to be around i23 or so, so I'd practice blocking Lizardman's 1K before anything else, which is i23.

Let me fetch a reaction test real quick and I'll finish this post.. :)
 
I'd say Mitsu's 2KB (i18) is about where the average person has to start anticipating rather than relying on reflexes. Sometimes the animation can be deceptive as well. Thus, it becomes a combination of reflexes and knowledge of the character.
 
http://www.fetchfido.co.uk/games/reaction/reaction_test.htm

Here we go.

This is a favorite test of mine. So SC runs at 60fps, and your reaction time would need to be AT LEAST like .35 to block the slowest lows, which isn't hard. More then likely you'll first get reaction speeds of .23 or so, then your score will get progressively better the more you do it. .23 x 60 = 13.8. Does that mean your going to be block i13 lows on reaction?

Err... no probably not. If it did you will be the best SC player overnight, haha. Because when it comes to blocking lows, there's also the fact that you have to MAKE THE DECISION /after/ recognizeing the low, to then block it, and that takes a little longer. That's why some players will eat Lizzy 1K and some don't- they haven't worked on training thier brain to look for the visual clues of those lows.

Now some gamers are super human (Daigo, Jwong) and claim they can spot the most ridiculous shit. (JWong, incidentally, also has like the best reaction score ever recorded on one of these internet sites) I can only know myself, and I know I don't block Amy 1A on reaction, lol. With lows that are simply too fast to react to, you have to know the move inside out, know when and where it will hit you, and take educated guesses on when to block when that situation arises.
 
its down to you recognising the animation for it and obviously being fast enough to react to it. going into training made and just make the move play over and over again see if it has any tell tale signs of when the move starts, then just put it in with some random command playback moves and see if you can block it..

for example look at soph/liz 1a, the both lift their weapon in the air at the start of the move... easy to spot. mitsu/asta 1a they like crouch and spin etc.
 
My bad. Was studying Amy the other day and really haven't gotten her full move list down yet. Yes, I was referring to 2B+K.
 
you must not look AT your enemy's lows but look THROUGH them.
only then, will you have the reflexes to block low on reaction.
 
i must have shitty reaction, i can only duck them when i really concentrate and that really puts alot of strain to my head :/, must train!
 
Like everyone else is saying, most low blocks are based on anticipation. Gotta learn to read your opponent well.

That's not to say that not all lows aren't blockable on reaction. That's where your reflexes come in. You don't even need lighting fast reflexes to deal with stuff like most characters' 1A and whatnot. You just need to be familiar with the move's starting animation and you're pretty much set.
 
If you see a character like mitsu who is obviously trying to stay in range for 2KB (a range you should stay out of) you can sort of "brace yourself" for the likely incoming low. This is when you look closely for mitsu's little head duck and half-spin-with-one-foot-planted animation. Also keep in mind that most slower lows are most effective at max range, so when you're at that range, it's time to watch for the low. It's half anticipation, half reaction.
 
Since you can already block fairly quick lows like mitsu's 1a's (i get caught out by that so many times btw) then thats probably as fast as u'd get. The main trick to blocking 2k lows is more knowing when they come then reaction. Like I once saw a video and as that crow guy how he blocked a 1k low in a vid i thought he had impossibly fast reactions lol. He just said the trick was knowing they only come in at close range and usually when you have low hp.

But tbh lows like that barely do any dmg so I don't see why you'd want to block em unless you had little hp.
 
Well, those lows (2Ks) are also punishable (depending upon what char your playing) and if you block them, you theoretically get free damage.

Most chars get a free 2A, but if your playing Sophie you get a free 236B, I think NM gets a free WS B, etc.
 
crow_winters said:
http://www.fetchfido.co.uk/games/reaction/reaction_test.htm

Here we go.

This is a favorite test of mine. So SC runs at 60fps, and your reaction time would need to be AT LEAST like .35 to block the slowest lows, which isn't hard. More then likely you'll first get reaction speeds of .23 or so, then your score will get progressively better the more you do it. .23 x 60 = 13.8. Does that mean your going to be block i13 lows on reaction?

Err... no probably not. If it did you will be the best SC player overnight, haha. Because when it comes to blocking lows, there's also the fact that you have to MAKE THE DECISION /after/ recognizeing the low, to then block it, and that takes a little longer. That's why some players will eat Lizzy 1K and some don't- they haven't worked on training thier brain to look for the visual clues of those lows.

Now some gamers are super human (Daigo, Jwong) and claim they can spot the most ridiculous shit. (JWong, incidentally, also has like the best reaction score ever recorded on one of these internet sites) I can only know myself, and I know I don't block Amy 1A on reaction, lol. With lows that are simply too fast to react to, you have to know the move inside out, know when and where it will hit you, and take educated guesses on when to block when that situation arises.
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Cool, I scored a .208 (12.48 frames) average on that test :) Though, I know I can't block a lot of lows on reaction. I've stood guarding high like an idiot far too many times against Mitsu's 2KB, even when I'm actively watching for that one specific move. So, don't put too much trust in this kind of test.

Looking for one specific thing like a dot turning yellow is far easier than looking at the animation of a character, figuring out what they are doing, choosing the appropriate response, and inputing the appropriate response. The dot you just have to say "yes, its yellow now click", with a move, you have to figure out what type of move it is and then block/react appropriately (especially hard for the deceptive looking lows/mids).
 
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