How important is a:B+K?

Well, the big advantage of a:B+K is that it has good range. Imcf has poor range so situations where it can be performed start just announcing themselves in your brain when you play against a good Yoshi. This doesn't make imcf useless at all but fast as it is the range requirement means that it's often can't be as much of a total surprise as you want (note this is my experience playing against Yoshi rather than with as I can't do imcf consistently). However a:B+K can be a total surprise. Vs Voldo, yeah if he's whoring A+B and 1[K] I wouldn't use it but sooner or later Voldo will want to throw out 2A+B and that move is slow and I don't think it TC's until maybe very late if at all, so it should be vulnerable to a:B+K.
 
Nirf: The main point behind not using a:B+K against Voldo is that a large portion of his commonly used, good moves either tech crouch or super tech crouch. On a side note, if 2A+B is the problem, a:B+K isn't the best solution. You're better of stepping it or just blocking the mix-up.
 
Voldo´s A+B is the problem, not BS 2A+B :P
anyone know the TC frames on A+B? pretty early i´d say
 
Hey flask, it's in the wiki and yeah it's an exceptionally good tech crouch, I think it's an i19 that TC's from i9. And ZombieBear, I just realized now you wrote BS 2A+B. I am talking about 2A+B, not BS 2A+B. BS 2A+B is not that big a deal, whereas 2A+B is one of Voldo's best moves, and it's very slow and I'm not aware that it has any TC frames. Flask, A+B for Voldo is a solid mid don't get me wrong, but it shouldn't be the biggest problem. In normal stance Voldo's grabs are mediocre and he has no lows worth mentioning so you don't have much reason to duck.
 
but you´re missing my point. with A+B present, i don´t have a reason to throw out any a:B+K´s.
a good voldo won´t use it to mix low/mid, but to TC and punish highs and throws.
 
No one is arguing that Voldo's 2A+B isn't a staple move. We are refuting your statement that a:B+K is good against 2A+B or most any other move Voldo has. There's really no point in spamming a:B+K against Voldo. No one is going to wait for Voldo to 2A+B and then a:B+K reaction. You're just asking to get hit.
 
Hajime, sorry, not meaning to come off so argumentatively. I think it's good to ignore frames occasionally against Voldo to frighten him away from using 2A+B, and iMCF doesn't fully fill this as it can only be used in specific situations. I am not necessarily saying a:B+K is the best way to do it, just that it could be used for that purpose. I suppose now that I think of it that 6B or bA might be better suited for that purpose. And flask, I guess I am looking at it reversed: if you don't try to cheat and interrupt there is relatively low incentive for Voldo to throw out A+B. Against someone who respects frames I am happy to throw out 2A+B all day (well that and get into BS).
 
As this post is getting off topic, let me just say that I think that there's a consensus that agrees a:B+K has its uses outside of combos, but less so against Voldo and his array of TCing moves. If you'd like to discuss anti-Voldo, please start a thread about it.
 
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