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bushindu said:
No prob, you also use that trick to exploit the aGb just aswell, use to do that when my thumb was bandaged lol
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IT DIDN'T WORK!!!! agh I'm tired of this, I guess i'll never get the just-frame st -_- I always get the Jfs of Cervantes or O Pyrrha, but alphas ST appears to be impossible to me, lol. anyways i'm not a bad alpha patroklos imo.
 
lxhizy said:
IT DIDN'T WORK!!!! agh I'm tired of this, I guess i'll never get the just-frame st -_- I always get the Jfs of Cervantes or O Pyrrha, but alphas ST appears to be impossible to me, lol. anyways i'm not a bad alpha patroklos imo.
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lol, ok try this, assign a+b+k or B to r2, and do a movement with your thumb slide down the controller from A to G, then as soon as you let go of G, tap R2. This just frame requires you to be clean, no chance of it happening unless the buttons are pressed in sequence as oppose to together.
Tbh I wouldnt worry to much, its only really a mid combo move if anything, uhm not sure if it still hits yoshi in high dragon fly anymore. E.g combo wise can be done in a wall splat or 11B a:G:B, then 2143a:B. Main jfs you want are 1a:a:a very handy, 2143B:B, and UMBRELLLA ( not shitty sakura twister as you lot call it xD)
 
bushindu said:
lol, ok try this, assign a+b+k or B to r2, and do a movement with your thumb slide down the controller from A to G, then as soon as you let go of G, tap R2. This just frame requires you to be clean, no chance of it happening unless the buttons are pressed in sequence as oppose to together.
Tbh I wouldnt worry to much, its only really a mid combo move if anything, uhm not sure if it still hits yoshi in high dragon fly anymore. E.g combo wise can be done in a wall splat or 11B a:G:B, then 2143a:B. Main jfs you want are 1a:A:a very handy, 2143B:B, and UMBRELLLA ( not shitty sakura twister as you lot call it xD)
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1B:B (as much as I struggle with it) is vital to ALL that Alpha does.To me it is his BEST TOOL.
1) Its a step killer
2) Its a combo starter that can ring out in some arenas from near the center.
3) Its a push back frame trap waiting to happen against slow character like Asta's or over aggressive foes (1B:B blocked they twitch : 2x Twister makes me happy!)
4) It hits OTG for suckers that play dead.(GET UP AND FIGHT LIKE A MAN...or Woman ...my ass whopping aint chauvinistic)
5) Its a complete Tech trap with 1AAA on several moves like 66A+B and 2aBE
6) It rings out forward.
7) Its SAFE: People always talk about JGing it. LOL! Go for it bros . CH Combos await.

This bastard is COMPLETE. This is why they switched it to 1 frame.
Can you win without it? Hey Alpha is versatile. Yes! But after afew months of muscle memory ( and thrown controllers) you will MASTER it.

33/236~3B controls the mid and far ranges as well as back steppers
1BB is the melee tool of choice up close.

Hence you can dominant inside and out.
 
whoever wants to fight me, i play lots of characters (algol, patsuka, maxi, zwei, yoshimitsu, xiba and many others, although this is my first soul calibur so i might not be that good)

PSN: seas_of_the_sun

synraii, i look forward fighting you, you inspired me to play patsuka.

Sorry for my english, im kinda new at that too :D
 
dom said:
1) Its a step killer
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Um, no it's not?
dom said:
3) Its a push back frame trap waiting to happen against slow character like Asta's or over aggressive foes (1B:B blocked they twitch : 2x Twister makes me happy!)
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I... wouldn't recommend this. It is 20 frames between this on block and a perfectly buffered JFT. Asta can easily CH 6K you, or probably even CH 6B. He can also low throw you out of the twister (yes, I've played Astas who do this). This might work as a trap on bad players, but I would avoid it vs. savvy opponents. Basically, -8 is not a frame trap, even vs. "slow" characters.

Just wanted to weigh in. I mean, it's a good tool, but it doesn't do everything, and certainly not quite as much as you're giving it credit for.
 
Dont worry dom, I was being a bit aggro earlier, Pats step killers 2a, aB end off
1BB is more of I know it'll so ill use it to make big big damagies
 
I've been thinking about using aPat for a secondary for a while, spamming iCS on noobs online is boring me :P
 
Delay step kill gents. Try it! Same way delay in some tech traps.

Of course all frame traps can be defeated. That was just an example. But thanks for the feed back.
YO!! b4k4. Still waiting on your butt! lol!
 
Same way a delay vertical catches techers.

Maybe I'm playing inferior competition that gets hit when they step. lol In the Bahamas there's only me, SCV and the palm trees! Stop stepping palm trees.

By the way I have used that frame trap many times. I've seen Maxou use it...Docvicco used it on a Mitsu. Same moves same setup.Its a mind game tool to make them hesitate. Even if your hit the imprint is still there for them. Only scrubs get hit is a misnomer.

But hey what do I know....I'm only at 40% efficiency with that bad boy
 
Alpha's most reliable step catchers:

High:
AA
22AA
WS A
66A

Mid:
3A
3K
bA

SP Mid:
2A

Low:
11A
11K

At least, they're the ones that spring to mind quickly, I may have missed a couple. =/
 
You guys are so funny. Even Destinizish recognized the step killing power of 1B:B. Check the Alpha Top ten Thread. Ignorance of a move's use does not mean that another's opinion is erroneous. If you don't know how to implement it properly just ask.

Yo Synraii nice list. Don't forget the greatness which is 4K as well as the sneaky good 236~4K into frame trap( Is -4 small enough b4k4?Total -i16 with push back). LOL.
 
Lets agree to disagree. By the way Kane you were right. My bro sucked at the input. DNS B won out.
 
dom said:
Delay step kill gents. Try it! Same way delay in some tech traps.

Of course all frame traps can be defeated. That was just an example. But thanks for the feed back.
YO!! b4k4. Still waiting on your butt! lol!
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I know I know, I don't really have a good way to film aside from my cell phone camera lol, and that will require an assistant. I'm going to try to get a friend to help with that tonight.

Also, I think you're being a little loose with the definition of "frame trap". A "frame trap" means that you have a certain uninteruptable follow up, which your opponent must respect and either block, or get hit by on all attempts to counter attack. Simply put, Alpha cannot "frame trap" at -8. In fact, he can't really frame trap at all on block. 2B+K is the closest thing he gets.

My point is that there's a difference between a "frame trap" and a "way to hit twitchy opponents who aren't respecting your good frames".
Synraii said:
@ Dom
4K only tracks to one side, if I'm going for a stepkill, I want full tracking. =/
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Which side doesn't it track? I tested it at frame advantage vs. left and right QS, and got both, but I'm sure it's frame/spacing dependent. What's its weak side?
 
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