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hey Eclair! Where's Arty?

I've got this thread on daily subscribe so I'll be keeping up to date with the happenings and wont forget or anything :)

Who knows, I might even stick around after AVcon if you guys are fun enough :P atm I think the massive newbification of Raph compared to SC2 is just disgusting, I want my SCC and multiple stances, also moves are missing and some moves that aren't missing are seemingly randomly reassigned to different inputs. But... I'm open to be convinced that SCIV isn't mediocre :)

Hell, I might even go to OHN8 if I like the game enough, I'm not planning on going atm because of the lack of smash, and I wont go for just SF3TS but 2 games I'll go for :)
 
id strongly recommend not watching any of my latest matches... seriously i was doing well with 3b in every other match! Ah ive cried about this on 5 separate pages now maybe i should cut Engared a break :P.
 
Endnow: I know how you feel. The last match we recorded has me demonstrating a complete lack of depth perception as I attack from about three times my moves' actual range. LOL. Against Hilde. That I didn't get swept 3-0 I will never understand. It's weird... I know my NM is better than my Sieg, but I always do better with Sieg against Hilde. Sigh. More practice, I guess.

Also...

Engared: B+G is awesome tier.
 
hey Eclair! Where's Arty?

I've got this thread on daily subscribe so I'll be keeping up to date with the happenings and wont forget or anything :)

Who knows, I might even stick around after AVcon if you guys are fun enough :P atm I think the massive newbification of Raph compared to SC2 is just disgusting, I want my SCC and multiple stances, also moves are missing and some moves that aren't missing are seemingly randomly reassigned to different inputs. But... I'm open to be convinced that SCIV isn't mediocre :)

Hell, I might even go to OHN8 if I like the game enough, I'm not planning on going atm because of the lack of smash, and I wont go for just SF3TS but 2 games I'll go for :)

What character does your friend play? If you want a harder character, there are many more in SC4. :)
 
Comments on NM vs Kilik 1:

1. Kilik's 1A+B is low and rings out behind him. Break it with B. His 3A+B leaves you on the ground in front of him. Break it with A. Note that after a break Kilik has the advantage.

2. Usually after NM's CH WS you would do NSS A+B into stuff. If you and your opponent trade hits then you will no longer shift into NSS. If this happens then either use 2A+B for damage, or GS KK for the RO.

3. 1A whiffs on grounded opponents at point blank range. After 33B6 GS B, if you pass under them, then you'll often be too close for 1A to hit. Back dashing will solve this problem. Otherwise, you can always go with 2[K], which will catch them if they stand up and don't quickly step or interrupt.

4. 66B is -4 on block. This makes it ideal for baiting a whiff post block by either back dashing, sidestepping or using B+K to retreat. Generally, it's not a good idea to use something slow like 1A after a blocked 66B, simply because most people will attack after they block something, so you're likely to eat CH. That said, some moves like iagA aren't a bad idea even after a blocked 66B, because most of the moves that can reach you after a blocked 66B will be slower than iagA, even taking into account the frame disadvantage off your blocked 66B. GS A is also an option, especially if you anticipate something like Kilik's 4B, which they may use to try and kill your back dash or B+K retreat.

5. Kilik's 66AA is something you should look to punish. Use 9B to jump the second hit and apply mind games as they get up. Or... if you're looking for style points, you can try and use 66B+K.

6. On NH, Kilik's 2A is +0~+1. This means that your WS K and WS are still both reasonable options. The only thing you have to watch out for is Kilik's WS B, which will sidestep and retreat, although WS K and WS should catch that too if timed well.

You were a little unlucky to lose this one, I think. Your application of 33B was excellent, which is something I probably don't do as much as I should. Your response to Kilik's 214 was great... you retreated and then use 33B, which effectively killed all of his options. Against Kilik, don't be afraid to mix things up at close range. NM's 1K, 11K, 66K, 6K, and 3K are all solid options, and 66K, 3K, and 11K will not lose to Ashura.

Comments on NM vs Kilik 2:

1. Kilik's WS B is a TC, retreating sidestep. Take careful note of when Kilik is crouching, in a lot of ways, he's more dangerous in crouch than he is standing up, because he has WS B, WS A, and 236 A+G_B+G mix ups, all of which can be very painful. Your best bet, if you're worried about WS B, is to use 3K if you're up close. If you're stuck in NSS, NSS K will lose to Kilik's WS B. On the other hand, NSS A will still hit, although depending on frame disadvantage it may be too slow. Just keep in mind that after NM's 3, Kilik is in FC and his WS options are usually more than enough to deal with NSS. Note: you can try NSS 236 A, but depending frames the aGI may not come out fast enough.

2. Learn to recognise 6AAA. It's one of Kilik's fastest moves, so you'll be seeing it a fair bit. Duck the last hit and punish accordingly. Post block Kilik's 6A is -10, his 6AA is -10 and 6AAA is -8 so you've got a huge amount of frame advantage, which you can use for mix ups.

3. 2AAA is another fairly telegraphed string. Look to jump punish the last low with 9B.

Overall, your play continues to improve, Engared. We really should do a mirror when OHN roles around... even if NM is just terrible against himself.
 
I'll be at Avcon this year. I might've played you in SC3 if you were there last year. Lance was teh shit :P

-David
 
hey Eclair! Where's Arty?

I've got this thread on daily subscribe so I'll be keeping up to date with the happenings and wont forget or anything :)

Who knows, I might even stick around after AVcon if you guys are fun enough :P atm I think the massive newbification of Raph compared to SC2 is just disgusting, I want my SCC and multiple stances, also moves are missing and some moves that aren't missing are seemingly randomly reassigned to different inputs. But... I'm open to be convinced that SCIV isn't mediocre :)

Hell, I might even go to OHN8 if I like the game enough, I'm not planning on going atm because of the lack of smash, and I wont go for just SF3TS but 2 games I'll go for :)

Arty's around, he just doesn't post on the forums.

You the see the calibur (oh pun, fck yea) of our matches on our video thread.
http://www.8wayrun.com/f13/melbourn...nows-sticky-green-t2894/page5.html#post107508

I don't think raph sucks too much, it was you who sucked :D Nah, it would be great to challenge you and ben again.
 
I'll be at Avcon this year. I might've played you in SC3 if you were there last year. Lance was teh shit :P

nah dude I haven't been to AVcon before, and I stayed away from that pos SCIII :)

I don't think raph sucks too much, it was you who sucked :D Nah, it would be great to challenge you and ben again.

It's not about Raph sucking or whatever, it's just that he's vastly different to the character I fell in love with in SCII (in a completely hetero way of course). When I played SCIV I was like where are my auto-evades? Why is there no Soul Charge Cancel? Why are some moves assigned to different inputs? and so on and so forth. As I've said before, this tournament I'm going to is giving me a reason to give SCIV a second chance.

Also, it's nice to think you can challenge us, positive thinking ftw :P
 
nah dude I haven't been to AVcon before, and I stayed away from that pos SCIII :)



It's not about Raph sucking or whatever, it's just that he's vastly different to the character I fell in love with in SCII (in a completely hetero way of course). When I played SCIV I was like where are my auto-evades? Why is there no Soul Charge Cancel? Why are some moves assigned to different inputs? and so on and so forth. As I've said before, this tournament I'm going to is giving me a reason to give SCIV a second chance.

Also, it's nice to think you can challenge us, positive thinking ftw :P


Ralph matchs up pretty well against Talim in IV, that said Talim is considered Rock bottom tier in IV. Its amazing how Eclair is able to slap people around with her though. What character does your friend use?
 
Benji plays Cervantes or Kilik or something. We haven't played since it came out (where we decided I wasted my $80 or whatever it cost me to import it) so he may change a bit more before he decides.
 
Benji plays Cervantes or Kilik or something. We haven't played since it came out (where we decided I wasted my $80 or whatever it cost me to import it) so he may change a bit more before he decides.

Fair enough. I think ill take the plunge tonight and join up on PSN. Add me as Engared.

Edit: A yoshi or a mitsu is whats missing from our group so maybe he should play that :P.
 
Ouch...

Don't worry. What you need to do is to force him to play Mitsu even if he gets slaughtered. That's the only way he's going to get a feel for how MST and RLC work, because it's not something that you can really get just by looking at the frame data and watching vids. It's always tricky adding a second character to your line up, but it's always worth it.
 
Ouch...

Don't worry. What you need to do is to force him to play Mitsu even if he gets slaughtered. That's the only way he's going to get a feel for how MST and RLC work, because it's not something that you can really get just by looking at the frame data and watching vids. It's always tricky adding a second character to your line up, but it's always worth it.

Im kidding he hasnt played Mitsu yet, but an alt will rarely be as good as a main and he needs to work on his Sieg to beat you guys at OHN so i don't want to distract him from it. We need someone who mains Mitsu, like how the HK guys have Simon etc.
 
LOL. I know how you feel... I use a lot of the characters and I often wonder what effect that has on my gameplay in general. Certainly, it makes practicing more difficult just because you've got more characters to keep up with. For instance, last week I played Hilde against the other guys for the first time since last year. I did alright, but my lack of practice showed - on several occasions I whiffed moves because I'd forgotten the range they had.
 
LOL. I know how you feel... I use a lot of the characters and I often wonder what effect that has on my gameplay in general. Certainly, it makes practicing more difficult just because you've got more characters to keep up with. For instance, last week I played Hilde against the other guys for the first time since last year. I did alright, but my lack of practice showed - on several occasions I whiffed moves because I'd forgotten the range they had.

Yeah i like to focus on two chars first and master them, as soon ill be playing SF4 as well and all the specific information each character requires might make my head explode lol. Damn im bored. Just waiting on PSN right now and no one to play with.

Played Plasia just now and hes a decent Ralph. Get him a bit of training and he'll be kicking ass in no time. Hate the lag online though, so much harder to defend the quick moves haha.
 
Hehehehe. Don't even get me started on SF4. Bailey has been telling me to practice up on SF4 for some time now, but I can never seem to find the time. We had an interesting conversation last weekend:

Bailey: So, LG, did you practice SF4?
Me: Um... no.
Bailey: What? So you had the time to try and relearn Sophie but you didn't have the time to practice SF4?
Me: ... Well... I didn't actually relearn Sophie...
Bailey: ...
Me: I was actually working out how to do Sieg's a+ka:2A more consistently... oh... and I tried to work a better joystick layout for Hilde... and yeah... some other stuff too.
Bailey: Damn it, LG. Go practice SF4.
Me: ...

So yeah, my Cammy is still weak. I play her like a really rusty verison of X-men vs SF Cammy. LOL.
 
Hehehehe. Don't even get me started on SF4. Bailey has been telling me to practice up on SF4 for some time now, but I can never seem to find the time. We had an interesting conversation last weekend:

Bailey: So, LG, did you practice SF4?
Me: Um... no.
Bailey: What? So you had the time to try and relearn Sophie but you didn't have the time to practice SF4?
Me: ... Well... I didn't actually relearn Sophie...
Bailey: ...
Me: I was actually working out how to do Sieg's a+ka:2A more consistently... oh... and I tried to work a better joystick layout for Hilde... and yeah... some other stuff too.
Bailey: Damn it, LG. Go practice SF4.
Me: ...

So yeah, my Cammy is still weak. I play her like a really rusty verison of X-men vs SF Cammy. LOL.


Im learning Ryu right now but ive not played an SF game in 12 years so im a total noob. I would like to progress to more advanced characters like cammy and guile though.
 
I really need to go through the movelist and do my research etc.. I really had little to no idea what I was doing in those matches besides SCII stuff that carries through (sidestep etc..).

also, wow what is with this game, down is duck! o.O I got caught trying to sidestep the most obvious 3Bs (if it still is NMs 3B...) and instead of dodging and doing some damage I ducked and got hit :)
 
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