Missing character discussion

Alexandras are fine. Even justice happy ones lol. But over two sword and shield Alexandras in one game I dislike, they can have 10 Alexandras if they really want just so long as they have varied weapons and styles not just camp with my i14 punisher of doom lol.
 
I think three Alexandras are ok, but to be honest I don't really like the Pat and Pyr. I really hope Cassy could be back.
What's the difference between Patroklos and Cassandra's personalities? No one has told me a difference so far, they're both arrogant pricks so you can just play Pat for your arrogant prick fix.
Ok let me rephrase this for the Alexandra fans. We don't need any more SWORD AND BLOODY SHIELD characters. There see easy. Personally I think two are fine more than that pushes it though.
I want there to only be 1 S&S character and for them to get rid of TAS/DNS forever. It was always a retarded mindless stance.
 
I like Cassy and but i dont htink shes annoying. Shes a strong minded female character. Pat is annoying and clueless. Hes constantly fumbling though life and when he finally finds his sister he runs away because she's a little evil. How would Cassy react in that same sistuation? Cause Pat ran like his butt was on fire.
 
What's the difference between Patroklos and Cassandra's personalities? No one has told me a difference so far, they're both arrogant pricks so you can just play Pat for your arrogant prick fix.
Cass seemed likeable imo. Pat was just a douche unjustly killing people.......
There's one.....There is a difference between stubbornness/arrogantness and douchbaggery imo.
I mostly miss playing as her to be honest, she was fun to dabble with.
 
I like Cassy and but i dont htink shes annoying. Shes a strong minded female character. Pat is annoying and clueless. Hes constantly fumbling though life and when he finally finds his sister he runs away because she's a little evil. How would Cassy react in that same sistuation? Cause Pat ran like his butt was on fire.
Cassy would kick Soul Edge out of her sister body
 
What's the difference between Patroklos and Cassandra's personalities? No one has told me a difference so far, they're both arrogant pricks so you can just play Pat for your arrogant prick fix.
No difference at all, basically. Just the motives behind them.

Oh, and Cassandra's a girl with butt attacks and no pants.

I want there to only be 1 S&S character and for them to get rid of TAS/DNS forever. It was always a retarded mindless stance.
Still grudging huh? lmfao!

I agree that there needs to be at least 1 S&S style. Aside from story reasons (Alpha aka Truth Patroklos), I would like to see new weapons having a much better chance at being in future installments.

I feel like I've said this before.
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I want there to only be 1 S&S character and for them to get rid of TAS/DNS forever. It was always a retarded mindless stance.
Make TAS B -18 on guard or more. Otherwise remove it because it mindlessly rapes spacing characters in every game.
Personally I reckon they should remove it.

On the topic of S&S styles I would be fine with one like Pat and one like Sophitia because they favour different play styles, one is aggressive rushdown and one is for more defensive play. But no more than that otherwise it gets a bit stupid really.
 
Nothing differents between Pat and Cassy, it's just I don't like Pat because he's an idiot in the story.
Pat is just an asshole IMO. Cassandra has always been a kind of a cocky bitch, but Pat takes it to unnecessary levels designed to make you salty as fuck. And the story doesn't paint him in the most positive light either.

"You're pale and dirty! You must be a malfested!"
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And then theres his random transformation into a valiant thoughtful person like wtf? His character design is just retarded and he manages to make me feel absolutely no sympathy for him even though his entire family was torn apart. His sister, however, is fucking adorable. <3
 
His character design is just retarded.
How in the hell can a design be "retarded"?

There is nothing wrong with it. Pretty original from other fighting games. Alpha Patroklos, however....he just screams Jin Kisaragi.

Patroklos is just a troll character altogether. I will admit that.

Yes, Pyrrha is adorable. Pyrrha Omega is freaking awesome! Anyone who can block Nightmare's attack knowingly gets an "A+++" from me.
 
How in the hell can a design be "retarded"?

There is nothing wrong with it. Pretty original from other fighting games. Alpha Patroklos, however....

Patroklos is just a troll character altogether. I will admit that.

Yes, Pyrrha is adorable. Pyrrha Omega is freaking awesome! Anyone who can block Nightmare's attack knowingly gets an "A+++" from me.
Pyrrha Omega is, by far, my favorite one of the new characters (design wise.) She's is a total bitch to fight against though.
 
Hmm Pat is not even a Alexandra.....to be a Alexandra one needs butt attacks and skirts or lack of the clothe lower part. APat is even less a Alexandra cuz...you know he is the other kind of good guy.
 
Hmm Pat is not even a Alexandra.....to be a Alexandra one needs butt attacks and skirts or lack of the clothe lower part. APat is even less a Alexandra cuz...you know he is the other kind of good guy.
I knew you were joking so I didn't even dare to take this seriously.

Is about understand the creative process behind a design
Chara design (well, quality one) is a complicated form of design, because it involve many factors
Like or not like in Pat there is good deep creative process, just to say some you can find
-Alexander (the Great) iconic figure
-Achilles ideal of perfect warrior/plastic pose (Pat have also same name of his only "student")
-Patroklos (Iliad) himself, because he still have a still young/need experience touch
-Mini-Heracles lol, with linx theme as a mini citation of Herc's nemea lion skin
-Ottoman janissary uniform (in 1p, but in the dropped 3p was even more evident)
-Cataphract that give another connection to the eurasian world, as sign of oriental touch (ottoman)
-the focus almost obsessive on the white colour, related to that "JUSTICE!!!" thing (also note the gold statue on his stage)
-the fact of have a military uniform, wich make him a -young- soldier more than a warrior. This reflect well his starting condition of being manipulated from Dumas: soldiers never fight for themselves, are tools used by powers above them
-the boring aura of "new hero" that make him play a role in a cast design logic
-soldier but still a special individual, arm stripe, medals and animal skin kinda give a higher grade look, captain or something. A young official. This mean less chess-piece? No, just a more relevant/useful one :D
-other things
Ah, good observation. I hadn't thought that far on his design.
 
I hate play the i-was-studying-as illustrator-and-i-do-design-getting-money-for-it card, but sometimes is needed, lol

It's not ever about opinion... i mean, everybody can have his own opinion but like something does'nt automatically mean "good design". In fact ironically many ridicolous low chara design (yes Ragna from BZ,i'm looking at you) in FG world are considered "good" by the big audience.
On the other hand i've seen many times a design that impressed me as dude-that-do-it-for-work, when 999999 kids on teh internet spit shit about it

Is about understand the creative process behind a design
Chara design (well, quality one) is a complicated form of design, because it involve many factors
Like or not like in Pat there is good deep creative process, just to say some you can find
-Alexander (the Great) iconic figure
-Achilles ideal of perfect warrior/plastic pose (Pat have also same name of his only "student")
-Patroklos (Iliad) himself, because he still have a still young/need experience touch
-Mini-Heracles lol, with linx theme as a mini citation of Herc's nemea lion skin
-Ottoman janissary uniform (in 1p, but in the dropped 3p was even more evident)
-Cataphract that give another connection to the eurasian world, as sign of oriental touch (ottoman)
-the focus almost obsessive on the white colour, related to that "JUSTICE!!!" thing (also note the gold statue on his stage)
-the fact of have a military uniform, wich make him a -young- soldier more than a warrior. This reflect well his starting condition of being manipulated from Dumas: soldiers never fight for themselves, are tools used by powers above them
-the boring aura of "new hero" that make him play a role in a cast design logic
-soldier but still a special individual, arm stripe, medals and animal skin kinda give a higher grade look, captain or something. A young official. This mean less chess-piece? No, just a more relevant/useful one :D
-other things

And look, i'm making it simple, when i say "other things" is because list will go on

From here i may still end up not like it due personal tastes(personally i like it), but as dude that understand the creative process i've before all to admit that's a good chara design work

Then you have Zwei

-Herp look at me i'm badass derp bare muscle chest leather oufit chains robo-wolf pokemon demonic powah dark blackpurple color scheme to make fap kids that can't resist to some retard anti-hero in black

Sure, as defense one can point

-celtic wannabe sword decoration and tatoo
-moon motif as link to wherewolf
-hairs and eyebrows as link to wolf fur
-body proportions exagerated on purpose on neck/shoulder area, as link with wolf anatomy
-Pat hero, Zwei anti-hero. Linx and wolf. Cat and Dog basically. Perfect animal theme for nemesis (ever if friendly ones)
-Black work as opposite to Pat's white (but let's be clear,more than else is marketing)
-Zwei role in the story wich remind that wolf/dog aspect: the hunter look, the fact that he follow somebody (Sieg) order, the final perfect lone wolf style. Basically he's a wolf that do the dog job only because he want to
-aggressive wild attitude, growl voice and so on
-the fact that fight in team like wolves fight in pack helping each others (wolf is known for avoid 1vs1 even with weaker opponents, they are natural "team fighters")
-biker theme (lol i find it ridicolous but is in both 1p and 2p)

And?

And are all true, in fact Zwei (him, not what he wear or the ridicolous pokemon) is a good designed character with many applied ideas behind it.
But
His 1p total destroy all this touches... and in FG design 1p mean "official/canon"
Why do this? Because marketing explain that if you create a around 20 yo dude, and you give him wannabe badass biker antihero look, demonic powah and blackpurple leather outfit, the young audience will blowjob it.
Also there is marketing ride twilight banana, so RaphNight- AmyViola -Zwei being SC version of the vampire-bitch-wolf triangle :sadface.jpeg:
Even being far from great(but with nice lil touches) 2p kinda save Zwei, and obvious is the one hated by all, lol

Then you have Xiba that -even being teh usual newyoungversionof wich often result in shit- as design is VERY good, but ingame it end up look a gay asian peter pan orangehead bieber with annoying voice.
Here is a problem of translation to the 3D model, wich may be unintentional (example 3D dude tryed but resulted this) or intentional (modeller left free to change the style, or one more time just shit marketing get in again)
But is another story


I don't blame them (on the contrary,i consider them with the best ones), everybody worked even once in professional ($) art world at any level know that there is ever somebody over you that impose to tweak something -9 times on 10 for worse- because he think that it will sell better.
Or because is just his retard opinion, but retard or not he's your boss/who pay... and not only you must apply his idea, you know people will blame you for it :D

Like for all things, understand chara design is about knowledge
This is a really good post. You pointed out things that I never even noticed about these characters, except that Zwei sorta reminded me of a wolf. I can see they really did put a lot of thought into these character designs and tying them in to real mythologies. (I wasn't sure when it came out, but now that I see these other tie ins, I bet they really did go out and research the connection between swans and Valkyries when designing the Valkyrie armor).

It's a shame the game got so much hate. They really put their souls into it.
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