Most technical character?

Wow, again.

You honestly think that you can OBJECTIVELY discern by FACTS which characters have the advantage in matchups that no one would disagree upon?

Have you ever even SEEN an actual Matchup Tier? EVERY matchup is argued to some extent. Some people think one match is 7:3 while others think it's 5:5 or even 3:7. And HOW are these arguments made? IN THE EXACT SAME WAY THAT THOSE IN A REGULAR TIER LIST ARE MADE! Based on a characters tools.

The only community-wide major matchup tier list I remember is the SC2 Ranking Project and the thread was almost the exact same thing as this one except intead of arguing that, say, Yoshimitsu has better tools than the rest of the cast in general, people would be arguing that he's actually 6:4 in a match instead of 5:5.

There will NEVER be a 100% accurate tier list of any kind that is agreed upon by everyone. In this thread, you have some people arguing that Kilik is best in the game and others saying that they just don't have enough skill to beat him. This exact argument would STILL be going on in a matchup thread.

If you'd like to try and prove me wrong, please provide a matchup ranking between ANY two characters based on factual analysis of their tools and see how set in stone it turns out to be.


Lastly, I haven't drawn ANY assumptions about you. You see, you are just a collection of experiences and character traits that I have simply quantified into a completely objective ranking. To speak in terms that you would understand, in the matchup You vs. Me, the matches fall 9:1. And I only lose 1 out of 10 because I'm so frustrated by your inabililty to see reason that I occasionally have seizures of rage where I blackout for a round.
 
Would it not make more sense to use facts rather than opinions. Kind of an obvious statement

I think when KingAce said about th8 matchup he said void of human error. So yeah if u have factual analysis a character that loss to a character is it better comes down to the human inputing and thinking. Cause where the ones doing the motions and all. Where not perfect.

Look you both have points but i dont like how u come off stating that only the tier list is better. Maybe the way your post are that is making it seem like your not even considering his point.
 
No one is saying that the tier list is better. KingAce refuses to acknowledge tiers in any form, which is just folly.

As I've said from the beginning, both matchup and tier lists are both made from the exact same factors. Rock has very few tools to fight against some of the elite characters in the game, therefore Rock loses most matchups against those characters. Therefore, Rock is a low-tier character. How hard is it to see the relationship here? That's what I'm not understanding.
 
I don't know. This is kinda weird.

Yoshimitsu in theory is #1 or 2. All you need is 6A, JF MCF and 66[A+K] with healing. Like, if you heal from suicide perfectly all the time, it's very hard to think of a better character.

In reality, Yoshimitsu is good but very very hard to play because of execution in his most intricate stuff.

Yoshimitsu is hard to rank because of this dilemma.
 
Angrel-San said:
Yoshimitsu in theory is #1 or 2. All you need is 6A, JF MCF and 66[A+K] with healing. Like, if you heal from suicide perfectly all the time, it's very hard to think of a better character.

In reality, Yoshimitsu is good but very very hard to play because of execution in his most intricate stuff.

Yoshimitsu is hard to rank because of this dilemma.
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I completely agree. (but don't forget a:B+K!) He is a fairly easy character to use at the base level, but he's got A LOT of complicated inputs that propel his gameplay into the top tiers if pulled off consistently.

Like I said before, I think he's one of those guys that we'll all say is top tier, but we won't see very much tourny success with him because he's just so damn hard to play consistently at that level.




And KingZeal,

You took the words right out of my mouth. Nowhere in my posts do I say that regular Tier lists are better (both have their strength and weaknesses), but BOTH tier lists boil down to nothing more than popular public opinion.

Sure, it's nice to be able to say "Well they're all just lines of code and can be ranked exactly," but I don't see how anyone can actually BELIEVE that and you certainly can't prove it.

For example, you tell me which is better: Having a good Throw game or having a good Low game? Both fill in a critical need in a character's moveset (giving the opponent reason to duck). Both have strengths and weaknesses (TJ and TC moves). You may say that lows are better because they can't be broken like throws can, but then, what if the throws do considerable damage as in the case of Astaroth or Setsuka?

THERE ARE NO CLEAR CUT ANSWERS HERE!

And that's how ANY tier list will go. People will say one person's mixup is better because it stops step or is safe and someone will say that another's is better because it does more damage.

In the end though, Matchup Rankings pretty much coincide very closely with Tier Rankings.
 
Hahahha we agree to disagree then...cuz I could go on.
I mean match-up reviews are what people call theory...as in all this is theoretical because where aren't putting human ability in the equation.

But anyway, I say Tier lists as you know them are useless because everyone has his own list...so they pretty much go nowhere.
 
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