Official Discussion for SC4 Tier List And Character Guides

there are alot of linear moves that are harder to step and punish because the characters have other options in the same situations that beat out step (at least to that side), but Amy's pretty limited in that. 33B and 66B+K for example, Amy can't do anything else at long range (66A is trash) so they're easy to step unless she's using 33B as a short range mixup, then it's harder. And you're not really gonna see any Amy players doing 66K...(I'm not sure of the effectiveness of that move anyways, but it'll beat step).
Amy's 2B+K is extremely short range, so her ass it gonna get close enough to do it, then she's gonna stop and pop, so when she stops, you can step all of her mixups to the same side pretty much, cept for 3A. So she's easier to step than most characters because of the range of 2B+K. 6BB you anticipate cause Amy players like to do that shit at their disadvantage, so if you have a character with a good TC that can kill step also (otherwise she can step and 33B you if you guess wrong), you can hurt her for 6BB abuse.

...don't get me wrong tho, she's still cheap as shit, cause you're forced to defend and punish her all day, not much offensively you can do against her ass.
 
dude, just teleport after 3B, it's easy hehe...or not. good way to rack up the cool points tho
It ain't that easy Sword_Lord. In practice yes but against an opponent I iTP a bit too late and get hit by her A. You pretty much have to iTP right on the dot which I find hard to do after blocking her 3B; even if you do successfully iTP, she has guaranteed BT B+K if the Amy player times it right.
 
whoa, but not if you iTP B+K right? I suck at doing iTP altogether, so I would never attempt it after 3B, so I don't know.
 
whoa, but not if you iTP B+K right? I suck at doing iTP altogether, so I would never attempt it after 3B, so I don't know.
Even still you will get hit by Amy's BT B+K. Now that's only if she does 3B only. Unless you iTP over her A follow up, you're at an advantage and Cervy's BT B+K is guaranteed.
 
I just wonder some things...

Is there any real list at the moment? Is the first post still mostly correct?

Are there some borderline cases with some characters?

Are there any order within the tiers themselves?
 
Umm Imma get yelled at, buttttt... Why isn't Ivy High Tier? She beats like everyone, and me and Xeph agreed. I just wish more people would.
 
Why is Raphael mid tier? Without any question he should be very close to the bottom.
*Raphael* hey I've got two stances and great verticals.
*Everybody* Great, we'll just step your entire moveset.
*Raphael* Haha, but I can mixup into them through horizontals.
*Everybody* OK, we'll block your opening attack, THEN step your entire moveset.
*Raphael* ...Godammit...
 
Tier list:
God: Amy, Hilde, Algol, Voldo.
Upper Mid: Kilik, Setsuka, Ivy, Sophitia, Cassandra, Darth Vader, Astaroth, Cervantes, Yoshimitsu, Xianghua, Taki, Mitsurugi.
Mid: Siegfried, Nightmare, The Apprentice, Zasalamel, Lizardman.
Lower Mid: Raphael, Rock, Yun-Seong, Maxi, Tira.
Bottom: Seong Mi-na, Talim, Yoda.
 
Tier list:
God: Amy, Hilde, Algol, Voldo.
Upper Mid: Kilik, Setsuka, Ivy, Sophitia, Cassandra, Darth Vader, Astaroth, Cervantes, Yoshimitsu, Xianghua, Taki, Mitsurugi.
Mid: Siegfried, Nightmare, The Apprentice, Zasalamel, Lizardman.
Lower Mid: Raphael, Rock, Yun-Seong, Maxi, Tira.
Bottom: Seong Mi-na, Talim, Yoda.

Your tier list looks about right, but swap Algol down to upper mid with Kilik/Setsuka and Ivy up to God. Taki is nowhere NEAR A (upper mid) tier. Zas is lower mid at best. Rock is Bottom. Talim is lower mid. Everything else looks pretty spot on. You can make an argument for Cass being mid and NM being upper mid, but its semantical.

Source: Tournament Results, Offline Competition, Money Matches.

-Idle
 
Taki gets absolutely CRUSHED by more than half the cast. Her damage is terrible, her PO mixups aren't mixups vs half the cast (did you know Cass can backdash all of them, even on hit, except 1BA, and even then 2B+K kills them all? Or that Asta can 6B+K and beat EVERY PO/Hover option?).

If I used A tier incorrectly, what I mean was "upper mid". I think she falls solidly in lower mid or you might even be able to make the case for mid. I'm used to using the S/A/B/C tier ranking system. Edited above post for clarity.

-Idle
 
Setsuka is the best character in the game

seriously

Tier list should look like this:

SS Tier: Setsuka

S Tier: Amy, Voldo, Ivy, Yoshimitsu, Cervantes, Kilik, Sophitia

A Tier: Astaroth, Xianghua, Mitsurugi, Apprentice

Rest dont matter, they suck (except maybe cassandra)

ok im done giving my worthless opinion
 
What are the reasons for Mina being so low in all tier lists?
- Unsafe
- Lacks decent up-close punishers
- Slow
- Tip-range
- Potential for whiffing (ex. 8A+B missing on crouchers up-close despite being a mid.)
And many more. Check out her Soul Arena for more info.

Don't think Namco meant to do this, but she was basically screwed over going from 3 to 4.
 
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