Raphael Combo Discussion

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2.0 COUNTER HIT​

2.1 Neutral:
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i12

Ø :6::B::B::B: =39 damage

Ø :6::B::bA+B+K: =67 damage / 0.5 meter
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i16

Ø :B::B::B: =47 damage
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i17

Ø :1::K:, :A+B::A:= 56 damage
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i18

Ø :1::1::B::B:= 28 damage
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i21

Ø :2::2:*:8::8::K:
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B: 61 damage
  • :A+B::A: = 56 damage
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::bA+B+K: = 76 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: = 85 damage / 1.0 meter
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i28

Ø :3::3:*:9::9: :B:
  • :6:*:3:*:9:*:5:, :A+B::A: = 68 damage (highly variable damage depending on alignment, all 3 hits may miss)
  • :6::6::B+K: = 54 damage (may whiff at close range)
  • :6::6::A+B: = 51 damage
2.2 Preparation Stance:
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i12

Ø PREP :B::B::B: =36 damage

Ø PREP :B::bA+B+K: =67 damage / 0.5 meter

Ø PREP :B::B::B: (first 2 hits blocked)
  • :8: , :A+B::A: =52 damage (easier to connect if A+BA is inputted immediately after "8")
  • :6::6::A+B: =34 damage
  • :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K:=82 damage / 1.0 meter
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i20
Ø PREP :K:
  • :2::B: = 33 damage
  • :1::B: = 40 damage (cannot ukemi if up close)
  • :A+B::A: =57 damage (near wall)
3.0 WALL SPLAT COMBOS​

3.1 Neutral Wallsplats:

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i14

Ø :3::A: W! (Counter Hit Only)
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: = 66 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =62 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =80 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =92 damage / 1.0 meter
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i17

Ø :B+G: W!
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: = 111 damage
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: = 102 damage
  • :A+B::A: = 86 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =107 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =127 damage / 1.0 meter
  • :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =110 damage / 1.0 meter
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i20

Ø:2::2:*:8::8::B:, :3::A: W!
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: = 98 damage
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: = 87 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =82 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =91 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K:=111 damage / 1.0 meter
Ø :6::6::K:W!
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: = 76 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =72 damage
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =80 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =102 damage / 1.0 meter
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i25

Ø :1::B: W!
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =86 damage
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =86 damage
  • :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: =80 damage
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: =76 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =80 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =80 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =102 damage / 1.0 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =101 damage / 1.0 meter
3.2 Preparation Stance Wallsplats:

Ø PREP :kA+B+K: W!
  • :1::B: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =138 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :1::B: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: =128 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :1::B: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =124 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :6::6::Bh:~ PREP :A+B: = 103 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :6::6::A+B:, BT :B+K: = 100 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :8::A+B: 94 damage / 0.5 meter (opponent left standing)
  • :1::B: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::bA+B+K: =133 damage / 1.0 meter
  • :3::3:*:9::9::kA+B+K: =106 damage / 1.0 meter
  • :1::B: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =154 damage / 1.5 meter
  • :3::3:*:9: :9: :kA+B+K:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K:=133 damage / 2.0 meter
3.3 Shadow Evade Stance Wallsplats:
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i19

Ø SE:B:, :1::B: W!
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =116 damage
  • :3::A: W! :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: =107 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =104 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =113 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =105 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =133 damage / 1.0 meter
  • :3::A: W! :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =105 damage / 1.0 meter
Ø SE :B:, :3::3:*:9::K:W!
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =110 damage
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =107 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::A: W! :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =125 damage / 1.0 meter
3.4 Quick Parade (successful auto-guard impact) Wallsplats:
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Ø :4::A+B:, W! :3::A: W!
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP:B::B::B:, :8: , :A+B::A: =109 damage
  • :A+B::A:, :6::6::A+B: =99 damage
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :6::6::A+B: =95 damage
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::bA+B+K: =104 damage / 0.5 meter
  • :3::Bh: ~ PREP :B::B::B:, :2::3::6::2::3::6::A+B+K: =124 damage / 1.0 meter
Pre-patch combos :
Raphael's Combo Listing
Neat and organized!
Brave Edge (BE)
Critical Edge (CE)
BE + CE
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NORMAL HIT

3(B) prep~BB = 38 dmg
3(B) prep~AB = 48 dmg (-4 Hit)

4(B) prep~BBB = 52 dmg
4(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 64 dmg (1 BE)

SE B, 66(B) prep~A+B =86 dmg
SE B, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 95 dmg (1 BE)
SE B, CE = 96 dmg (1 CE)

44K, 2B = 34 dmg

44B, 2K = 38 dmg

33_66_99A+B, BT B+K = 49 dmg

66(B) prep~A+B = 56 dmg

22_88B, 3(B) prep~BBB = 65 dmg
22_88B, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 80 dmg (1 BE)
22_88B, CE = 87 dmg (1 CE)

33_99k(BE), 3K = 66 dmg (1 BE)
33_99k(BE), CE = 115 dmg (1 BE, 1 CE)

B+K (Counter), 6BB = 38 dmg
B+K (Counter), CE = 96 dmg (1 CE)

prep~k(BE), 2B = 80 dmg (1 BE)

B+G, 1A = 52 dmg (Astaroth only)
B+G, 2K = 53 dmg (Doesn't work on Astaroth)

11_44_77A+B, 66B+K = 101 dmg

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CORNER

1B W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 81 dmg
1B W!, CE = 85 dmg (1 CE)

SE B, 1B W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 100 dmg

22_88B, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 76 dmg
22_88B, 3A W!, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 82 dmg (1 BE)

66K W!, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 77 dmg
66K W!, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 85 dmg (1 BE)

prepa~k(BE) W! 1B W! A+BA, 66A+B = 125 dmg (1 BE)
prepa~k(BE) W!, 88_22B, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 130 dmg (1 BE)
prepa~k(BE) W!, choppe B+G W!, A+BA = 135 dmg (1 BE / Tech Throw possible)
prepa~k(BE) W!, choppe B+G W!, CE = 148 dmg (1 BE 1 CE / Tech Throw possible)

B+G W!, A+BA = 86 dmg
B+G W!, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B =102 dmg
B+G W!, 3A W!, 3(B) prepa~Bb(BE) =107 dmg (1 BE)
B+G W!, CE = 110 dmg (1 CE)

4A+B (Counter) B W!, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 99 dmg
4A+B (Counter) B W!, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 104 dmg (1 BE)
4A+B (Counter) B W!, CE = 108 dmg (1 CE)

11_44_77A+B W!, 3(B) prepa~BBB = 134 dmg "Max Range"
11_44_77A+B W!, 3(B) prepa~Bb(BE) = 148 dmg (1 BE) "Max Range"
11_44_77A+B W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 150 dmg
11_44_77A+B W!, CE = 152 dmg (1 CE)


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COUNTER HIT

1K CH, A+BA = 56 dmg

22_88K CH, 3(B) prepa~BBB = 65 dmg
22_88K CH, 3(B) prepa~Bb(BE) = 78 dmg (1 BE)
22_88K CH, CE = 85 dmg (1 CE)

33_99B CH, 33_99B = 55 dmg
33_99B CH, 66, A+BA = 66 dmg


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COUNTER HIT + CORNER

3A CH W!, 3(B) prep~Bb(BE) = 71 dmg (1 BE)
3A CH W!, A+BA, 66A+B = 72 dmg
3A CH W!, CE = 76 dmg (1 CE)

22_88K CH, 3A W!, A+BA, 66A+B= 72 dmg
 
Taken from the movelist thread, thanks to NGKrush for the early info.

NGKrush said:
Thanks for your replies Wuht and Fendante. I was just looking at various videos and couldn't see his potential.
I have a review copy at my house now and tested some things in training:

22b
-3a (34dmg)
-CE (86-92)
-a+b,a (58) - must be kiss range
-3(b),bb~be (79)
-3(b),ab (62)

i'm actually prefering 3(b) as followup for than CE as it's much easier to do and 79 vs 86dmg is not a lot if you keep 50% meter for other things(like another 22b combo), being able to mix to prep bbb or prep ab for dmg and frameadv is another plus.

33b
-11bb (52) - ch

1k
-a+b,a (56) - ch

33k~be
-ce(108)

4(b)
-bbb (56)

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1k,1b didn't work for me, could only connect it a couple of times when i locked the dummy between walls.
and prep k~be is mid-high, not sure if you're in block stun long enough, so maybe the high is duckable making it unsafe?

se b seems like a good combo starter too.
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Off SE B so far, super and 3B, prep BB EX both work.
 
I'm starting to like BBB as a follow up to 1K / 22B (no gauge) - it does good damage (55 - no scaling) and leaves you at +2, which sets up 6B(B) and A(B) nicely.
 
1.I prefer using 22B, 3(B)~prepA(B) (for 61-62 damage) while leaving you in stance, which will more than likely end up as SE or prep4. Granted, you could not do the stance shift and opt for a dash in mixup.


2. Yeah successful B+K evade equals CE (with meter) or just a plain 6B(B) for 38ish damage for guaranteed damage.
If you don't have meter, you could present a mixup if you don't have meter with either a grab (back turned, as all but 3 characters have a 50% break) or you could go for 2_8B+K into followup for 60ish damage. I still don't like B+K's AE window.. it seems so short and late.
 
I think it's random, it's their clean hit system, where some moves deal additionnal damage. If you're lucky.
 
The official guide indicates three types of Clean Hit: A, B, or C.
The intution is this is the quality of bonus from the clean hit. But also it has been hinted there may be ways to influence the probability. I think this is worth investigating. But there's likely no way to make a good guess for now. Let people form some suspicions through play, then you can do science to it.

I'm going to test for likely scenarios of 66A+BG vs reaction quickstep. You guys can do the useful stuff; I got this.
 
Don't ever use 3A to knock someone into a wall after a stun to get more combo hits - damage scaling screws you into doing less damage.
 
3A isn't too terrible if you know they are stepping to your left, but yeah, I was really hoping to pop it into combos for extra funsies, like old Prep A.
 
I really wanted 3A to work at the wall like the guide suggested, but his wall damage off generic combos are fine. In fact I'm fine with his damage overall but getting it is so tricky.
 
22B > CE only does 7 more damage than 22B 3B(B) BE - this really seems like a waste of gauge to me.
 
On one hand I really like the fact that he has a 25% BE for all his combos, on the other hand I wish he had a way to spend meter in order to exert some control over the momentum of the match and not just do more guaranteed damage once in a while.
 
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