Rock Punishment List

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
Posted the wonderful and incredibly useful Voldo stuff from Lau. I don't suppose you can do another 1 character for me? 2? 3? 5?

I'll be busy for the rest of this week, so no major updates until the weekend. If you got suggestions, post them here and I will update as soon as I can.
 

LAU

[09] Warrior
I'll see

Right now i'm more interested in working on my anti-voldo in general... with Rock and NM

but when i have the chance perhaps i can help you out with the other characters.

-LAU
 

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
Yun, Zas, and Talim done.j

Edit: Tira done too. All that is left is Apprentice, Ivy, Vader, and Yoda. I don't have Yoda. Lau said he's doing Ivy. Which leaves Apprentice and Vader to me. If someone does it before I do, post it and I'll paste it.

Edit 2: done with Apprentice. Taking a break for awhile. Vader/Ivy/Yoda still up.
 

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
Done with Vader (WOW HE'S SAFE). Wating for Ivy and Yoda now. Once those two are posted, I'm going to do a clean-up of the thread. Unless someone can tell me how to add posts to the top and not the bottom, I gotta split the punishment list to 4 posts, which means deleting posts that were posted after the first ones. Otherwise, this thread is going to take forever to load because I'm cramming so much into two posts. Then again, it could just be my imagination that this thread is loading a lot slower now.
 

Dullyanna

[10] Knight
Yoda punishment LOL*
AA:2K
6A:2K
4A:2K
66A/66AA: 6K (If he stops at either one, but 66AA can't be interrupted with the knee. You can 9B the rotten little shit, though).
44A: 6K
BB: 6K
3B: 6K (3BB can't be punished, though)
66B: 6K (Same ish as 3B/3BB)
22B: 6K
A+B/A+BA: 6K

*Note that the same holds true for his force cancel counterparts, i.e. you can punish 66AA just like you can with AA A+K AA. Also, you can interrupt most if not all of his force cancels with 4B.

I think that's it. Everything else is safe. Honestly, you're better off abusing BB (If the first hit of B hits, the second one whiffs, lol) against him, since he can't really punish it to my knowledge.
 

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
Thanks. Added. Note that his list is larger than Vader's. Seriously...

What do you mean by 9B? Is the second A a low?
 

Dullyanna

[10] Knight
Sorry, I forgot four moves. Jump B, Jump K, 2K and 6K are punishable by Rock's 2K. I just remembered that I only tested the knee against them. And yeah, the second hit of 66AA is a low.
 

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
I'm going to start on some basics for Ivy.

Starting Stance
66BA- K, 6A
44BB- K, 6A
6AK- 6K (tech crouch 2nd hit), Duck 2nd hit FC3K
3B- K, 6A
2K- Crouch Throw (Very Hard)
WSAA- 6K (tech crouch 2nd hit), Duck 2nd hit FC3K
236BB- 4A+B, 3B
214B- FC3B (regardless of stanceshift), 4A+B
1A- Crouch Throw
33_99B- 6K, Throw, K
 

mikosu

Goderator of pink hearts
Eww Rock is so not a punishment character. But it's good to not be limited to 4B and K.

Corrections for your Yun data: A+B MSH B - duck 3rd hit not 2nd; CR (B+K stance) A - 6K is better since he could TC 4B

Tira - Be sure to note the mood. The punishable 22_88A you listed is in JS not both. You know that.
 

LAU

[09] Warrior
I guess this will be considered punishment.

against yun crane.. if you block anything that goes into crane... step -> duck beats everything and i believe step -> 6K will be a pain in the ass against yun...


if you play against Sieg.. and he's dumb and goes into stance far range... just do 6B+K

-LAU
 

D_Matt_Ma

[10] Knight
I guess this will be considered punishment.

against yun crane.. if you block anything that goes into crane... step -> duck beats everything and i believe step -> 6K will be a pain in the ass against yun...


if you play against Sieg.. and he's dumb and goes into stance far range... just do 6B+K

-LAU

I will test some counter Crane stuff later tonight (hopefully). A+K is the choice follow up for Yun because Rock is too slow to react against it.
 

mikosu

Goderator of pink hearts
against yun crane.. if you block anything that goes into crane... step -> duck beats everything and i believe step -> 6K will be a pain in the ass against yun...

This perception is too popular. It's half true because if you like to step 2G then I just wait and anything I do will realign. So it's not that big a deal. 6K will beat anything after any blocked transition EXCEPT WS [A] and 3[K].

I will test some counter Crane stuff later tonight (hopefully). A+K is the choice follow up for Yun because Rock is too slow to react against it.

No need. I got ya covered. Step 2G is good general anti-CR but beware of what I said above. I'll outline it like this:

If blocked
CR A - Nothing guaranteed
CR B - (-)11 so nothing for Rock
CR K - Nothing guaranteed
CR K:G - Nothing guaranteed
CR 2KK - free punishers you already covered from FC
CR 8K - free punishment already covered
CR A+B - covered
CR A+K - free FC 3K, 4A+B