SC Community needs to move on....

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So now that it is clear that SC does not have a place in Evo's main lineup the SC community needs to move on. I clearly stated SC and not SC4 because Evo is a 2D centric event on a 2D centric website (Shoryuken).
I disagree with the focus on a big side tournament at Evo. To me thats a poor man's way in to something that we were phased out of. It doesn't hurt to have one but should not be our main focus.

With that said..... There is another major tournament event June 4-6 2010 named G.A.M.M.E.

http://www.8wayrun.com/f2/g-a-m-m-e-orlando-florida-june-t6262/

Guaranteed pot of $2000.00. $1000.00 of this $2000.00 comes directly from Idlemind himself who needs to be thanked for this because it is a investment that almost no one would commit to. So props to him.

Some important quotes from the thread...

MoadibGPX said:
We are working closely with IdleMind (Jason Shumard) to make sure we cover this community as best as possible. We want to make sure players from all over, including the ones coming from France have as solid a competition as possible.
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MoadibGPX said:
It definitely is, but we have to thank Idlemind for that, we originally were not sure what to make of this title, as the community for this is scattered, Euro communities are thriving better, but with the bonus what it is I think we can do well for this title.

I want to work toward making GAMME the US national for Soul Calibur with Idlemind I think we can do it, but it will take some time and effort, I dont expect it to happen for this show, I think we will help the SoCal community trust us first, so possibly by 2011 or 2012 - by then would be another socal title, but at least we have the players know we have their backs.
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MoadibGPX said:
I sent Idle some info for him to update the OP, we want to make this the big SCIV Tournament. We want to make sure you all make it out to this, we will build on this tournament each year and continue to update the SC community with its new games. we can accomplish this together.
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Imo the Soul Calibur community needs to face the fact that u may not have a place in Evo and at best our only really substantial place in Evo will be whenever a new SC drops when the hype is booming for the 1st year. From my understanding this is not the first time the game was excluded from Evo so man up and move on. This is why a long time ago on this website I mentioned that SC needs to focus on its own Nationals etc.

If the commitment is big enough u can at least have 3-5 seriously important majors. Cannes, G.A.M.M.E (Based on the quotes above) and i'm sure another 2-3 can be created as well. Through this process Evo might even take us more into consideration but imo Evo is not the be all end all unless ur desperate. France, Korea, etc. can still come out to our own Soul Calibur major event and make it international.

With all that said those who are going to G.A.M.M.E post in here and say u are. Stop being the casual 8wayrun member that pretends to support this game because he or she is on this site and actually commit to going. I mention it like this because there are a lot of people who act like they support this game and go but do not.

How many people sign in here will actually show the people who are dedicated to supporting the tournament scene......

So I will start first- I am going.
 
Since when are you a spokesperson for the SC community?! Since when does EVO decide wether we move on or not?! You don't even play this game seriously, always wanting to move on, so maybe you should do that for your self.

The Evo result does not change anything. People are still going to France. People are still going to game. People are still going to EVO!! We DO NOT, and NEVER HAVE depended on them to run our own tournaments. I don't know where you've been but clearly you must know WE ALREADY HAVE run our own Nationals for SC3 and SC4. For SCIV there was just some bad scheduling and not so good handing over of duties. The game is still alive.


To re-iterate, none of us expected Evo to accept SCIV. In fact, it was probably the fact that 8WR got its "free vote" that all the other communities banded together to make sure we weren't there. Doesnt nother me, I dont expect any respect from 2D players. It was a Bonus the fact that we were even on the list.

Again, we don't need evo, we can just as easily run our own BYOC tourney outside of Evo. I'll take it upon my self(possibly with others) to do so. Although I think right now I'm more interested in running my Power Stone 2 Tourney.

In the end, NONE OF US (at least those of us who stillplay the game) should take this as a defeat of any kind.

Cannes, then GAMME. Then EVO. The SCIV community is alive and well. We just have to make sure to show it.
 
U completely disregarded my entire 1st post so I will disregard urs. I also hope all those who understand the point im trying to make whiff ur post as well.

With that said I am going to G.A.M.M.E. I am supporting an event which supports us. I am making IdleMinds 1000.00 investment worth his time and hard earned money.

For those who support this and the quotes I quoted above please state that u are going.
 
No. You missed the MOST IMPORTANT POINT!! I'll say it slow. since you have problems reading big paragraphs.

WE.

DONT.

RELY.

ON.

EVO.

Capiche?
 
You guys are in agreement, now hug you two.

Omar, the title is hella misleading though lol.
 
Jian: "SC Community needs to move on" refers to less focus on trying to side tourney at Evo which phased us out and more focus on G.A.M.M.E and tournaments of that magnitude.

Malice: At the time of this response there are 2,685 views for thar thread and almost no RSVP's and that thread has been there for a while. Hence this thread to sign here and basically say u are going. Its really quite simple. Just say u are going if u are. It really isn't that hard. Ex. Jian, Malice are u going. Answer = Yes or no. I don't care about all the other trivial shit. Just trying to guarantee some heads for those that supports an event who wouldn't mind making a National home for us based on the quotes once again.

I still have no yes answers besides me. Keep things simple and straight to the point.

The views always rack up but so little respond. I hope that isn't the case here.
 
The problem with that is there's already a thread for GAMME where you should be saying that you are going. Making this thread is redundant if you just want people to come here to say that they are going.

If you RSVP'd, say that you are going and maybe made some challenges, people will start viewing that thread again. But people aren't going to view it if there is no new posts.
 
Something-Unique said:
If the commitment is big enough u can at least have 3-5 seriously important majors. Cannes, G.A.M.M.E (Based on the quotes above) and i'm sure another 2-3 can be created as well. Through this process Evo might even take us more into consideration but imo Evo is not the be all end all unless ur desperate. France, Korea, etc. can still come out to our own Soul Calibur major event and make it international.
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DEVASTATION...?

I'm all for supporting G.A.M.M.E. and Cannes, but I like how you forget about DEV. We didn't drop you guys despite the fact that only Cali showed up last year (for the most part).

For the people who can't make it all the way to FL in June, go to DEVASTATION.

Has anyone talked to ShinBlanka about getting SC at Final Round?
 
In a nutshell, people need to support either tournament. It's a shame that there isn't more support for either, so show your support by posting and RSVPing in those threads please because eventually this thread will be bumped by other topics where as those threads are stickied and will always be shown. Trust me on that.

FR had announced SC4 in the lineup but dropped it. I was looking to go, but what can you do. And now it's too late since people need time to plan and all that.
 
Dr.Dogg: Well at the time G.A.M.M.E was on my mind because it offers alot to SC in a number of different ways such as G.A.M.M.E being a potential home to SC Nationals. That would make it a large scale focus on SC just like Cannes. Devastation is still good as a major for SC though.

Malice: No offense but stop derailing the point of my thread. I asked for a simple answer in here to a simple question. If people don't want to in here then they dont have to but regardless it still addresses an issue.

What is so fucking difficult about yes or no I am going. This is why shit never gets rolling for this game.

This thread was created for the simple purpose of YES or NO I am going or I am not. Your becoming frustrating Malice.
 
There was never a big focus on the side tournament. Also, people knew SCIV getting into EVO was a long shot. I doubt any of them bought plane tickets and reserved rooms in for the sole purpose of playing in a potential SCIV event or a side tourney.Those who are attending to play other games who are also SCIV players will likely participate in a side tournament if one is held. I believe that's been accepted by the community already. I think Malice is upset because you're misinterpreting the feelings of the community. No one is surprised that SCIV didn't make it and those who are still serious will attend GAMME and/or Devastation.

Those that are committing to GAMME have, or can do so, in this tourney announcement http://www.8wayrun.com/f2/g-a-m-m-e-orlando-florida-june-t6262/ I show you've already committed as well.

There's a thread for Devastation as well. http://www.8wayrun.com/f2/small-06-18-2010-devastation-2010-sc4-t6-t6827/
 
Aries - Take a look at the first 50 pages and its def not hard to believe.

But no, the MAJOR point is, is that this Vote really doesn't do anything to the community. MINE (and Malice's) Gripe with what SU posted is that he ASSUMES that this Evo decision has AFFECTED the community. Which is far from the truth. We have NEVER been a community that has relied on Evo representing SCIV. Some shyt happened back in 2K4, they accepted us last yr 2K9. Thats all.

Those who think our community is at all affected by this is mistaken. Its almost like American Idol and we wanted some Random to win and were hoping our votes would add up. We all know there is a big difference in size between 8wr and srk.

In the end, Cannes, GaMMe, DEV. BYOC Evo. Next 4 Major SCIV tourneys. Evo is still Evo.
 
This is my last post in here as I feel this thread is lost already.

D.I.N.O said:
You don't even play this game seriously, always wanting to move on, so maybe you should do that for your self.
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This thread is an example of why I no longer play this game seriously. The "always wanting to move on" statement is not always wanting to; I have moved on. In fact I have been practicing under the radar for quite some time now for Tekken, Street Fighter, and recently BlazBlue so I can begin entering tournaments for those games.

It doesn't change the fact that I love Soul Calibur and would love to see it succeed but to be honest its not going to speaking specifically about the states U.S. because there isn't enough support from the community itself. Still no yes or no's but instead replies with no weight regarding attendance at G.A.M.M.E. So many views for G.A.M.M.E and Devastation and still no substantial RSVP's. Makes me envy the French and there massive support.

One last thing. I notice u keep saying SC is alive but the fact is its not; your in denial. Scenes are dead and the few that are still present can't manage more than 20 and to be honest the number is more like 15 or less and even then 15 is pushing it. So it is dead.

On that note since this thread seems to have been raided with no real answers to the main point. I am going to G.A.M.M.E and i'm curious to see just how many go with all this talk of being alive and still no yes or no's. That in itself will answer my question I guess since I apparently won't receive any answers in here.
 
Something-Unique said:
"SC Community needs to move on" refers to less focus on trying to side tourney at Evo which phased us out and more focus on G.A.M.M.E and tournaments of that magnitude.
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This is a reasonable message to pass on. And to expand on your point about casual attitudes, we are too casual in the sense that players don't even meet up to just play. If more regions of players would simply take the initiative to get together more often then our forum would grow. Personally, I try to gather in my local area on a monthly basis because I think this slowly helps everyone for the better. So if other regions work similarly then thank you. However, S-U, I think it's unfair for you to say that places are dead if the only reason is because tournaments are inexistent. After all, it can't be dead if some players are still competing amongst themselves. They are the lifeblood of a much greater scene. That's all I wanted to emphasize.
 
The scene is bigger than it was in SC3, and that game wasn't "dead".

We can still pull people at real, planned out majors.

Dont give up on Evo, or anything for that matter.
BlazBlue (before getting dropped by Evo) was picked as a main game BECAUSE they had a huge 180-man side tournament.

Giving up on Evo is like Football players giving up on the superbowl, or Tennis players giving up on Grand Slams.
You can't quit the fight!
 
I think you guys are missing it...I had doubts of whether or not if we had made it in if people were gonna show up for EVO.

We have a good amount of players to say that our scene is alive, but what we don't have is hype. People aren't really motivated for the game anymore. And that's really the issue, most players are burnt out. You got to have something to look forward to when playing video games, and it seems for most people money isn't it.

Something dramatic has to be changed to motivate the players we have already; to get hyped up and active again. I do my own shit with my crew down here, but everything is low key...and even down here motivation is the problem. Why is there a lack of motivation? Monthlies fuel majors, if people are going to monthlies they eventually want to try their luck with a major. Although, they might be monthlies happening their isn't really any evidence to show it, no videos for one, and that tells other regions that maybe noone is playing this game seriously anymore. So if a major is announced there is doubt of whether anyone will show-up at all.

See I can compare our current state with SC3.
In SC3 we had a terribly low number of players, however, every region was active in someway or another, even with small turnouts. ATL, Canada, EastCoast, Norcal, Texas all had shit going on and videos of gameplay to back it up. Key players kept the scene alive, and that's important. Although I find Elite players useless in terms of deciding whats best for our community's future, if they stay active and travel it keeps other players motivated. And I guess the other part was everyone wanted to see Thuggish_Pond lose, or was it just me? lol.

In SC4
We have a lot more players, but none of them are actually active anymore, or atleast they stay very low key. There is no visual evidence of any activity despite what people might say. And because of this no hype...I will say this, the only way Texas will get active for majors is if it knows 100% there other regions out there that it can smash.

Otherwise I don't see how people can just travel out of state, if they can't even do it locally. Jaxel's house gave us something to look forward to in SC3, now that it's gone we need something else. A regions needs to set an example, and atm we're pretty lacking.
 
Personally i think some of you are right, just saying it the wrong way:

KDZ is right in the sense that right now, this game isn't dead. Just scenes have died. I can confirm that because TX isn't active right now. (it didn't help when bitches were talking shit from pasadena and then quit after their first tournament either.)

Some of you shouldn't let the face that SC didn't make Evo. For starters let's look at the other Majors we've held

Extravangaza
GAMME
Devastation
NEC
TiT
Mashfest
Trashday

I'd rather not mention FR, due to them dropping SC out of the line-up...I also didn't mention Cannes because it's not Typically a Major in the US

Regardless, Am i dissappointed that they didn't even bother placing SC in the line-up? Yes because of the fact that it has so much hype. This year and even last year. Do i care? not really. Sux that i can't go to vegas, but oh well.

KingAce: your peeps are a bunch of bitches that talk shit and back up shit. :D

Either way it goes, people need to stop having negative attitudes about this game and the fact that it didn't make Evo and get your ass out there and play again. Like SU said...we don't rely on Evo. So we need to at least start showing it
 
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